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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BrokenBackJack" data-source="post: 327144" data-attributes="member: 642"><p>We never had to shock more than 3 times total with our Labs.  After that we just would tone or viberate or both and that was all it took.  If it was even needed.  Different breeds need different training.</p><p>Saw far too many people with shock collars that would just fry their dog.  Felt sorry for the dog as it ended up not knowing what in the heck the owner wanted them to do.  Don't get carried away with shocking and you don't have to fry them when using the shock part.</p><p>We used Tri-tronics and liked them and they worked excellent for us.</p><p>Good luck!</p></blockquote><p></p>

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