Talk me into a deer rifle

[Retired Educator]

Glad you found what you liked. I was getting a little confused with your want of a lightweight rifle and then kept listing the things you wanted to add. In my mind, I was trying to figure out how cutting 2-4 inches off your barrel and then adding a suppressor was going to make your rifle lighter. Since I don't own but 3 rifles, and all of them are in that 7-8# range, more when I leave my bipod on, I'm pretty comfortable with that weight. Wouldn't mind having a Mountain Rifle as they are about a pound lighter than my traditional Rem 700's. I do pay attention to the weight of the scope I have on each of them. Other than that I think it would be better and easier for me to take the weight my body instead of my rifle.

 

[Bed Wetter]

Glad you found what you liked. I was getting a little confused with your want of a lightweight rifle and then kept listing the things you wanted to add. In my mind, I was trying to figure out how cutting 2-4 inches off your barrel and then adding a suppressor was going to make your rifle lighter. Since I don't own but 3 rifles, and all of them are in that 7-8# range, more when I leave my bipod on, I'm pretty comfortable with that weight. Wouldn't mind having a Mountain Rifle as they are about a pound lighter than my traditional Rem 700's. I do pay attention to the weight of the scope I have on each of them. Other than that I think it would be better and easier for me to take the weight my body instead of my rifle.

Just to clarify, I don’t need a dramatically lighter rifle (but that’s what I ended up with). The setup I was using had a 24” heavy barrel and weighs 8# naked. The weight was not intolerable, just the combination of weight and length sucks. I can tolerate one or the other but there’s an awkwardness to it, like carrying around a flagpole. What I wanted is shorter and lighter than my current setup, not necessarily the lightest possible gun, and I will definitely have a suppressor on it.

 

[luvcatchingbass]

Well, I stopped in to Scheels to look at Remington rifles and left with a lightly used Kimber Montana in 308 for $849. It’s hard to say no to Leon.

Let’s try another pic of jurassic rack:


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About 2 weeks ago I was wandering through there and think I happened to pick either that one or one like it and also handled a Bergara for the first time. Really liked both, Kimberly have always intrigued me. Congrats on the new addition

 

[huntorride365]

Cool buck. I was gonna suggest the Kimber. I bought a Hunter in .270 as it was the last choice on the rack before I left for Idaho. It has become my deer rifle. About a pound and a half lighter than my older .270 and my 7-08. That makes a huge difference if you're putting on miles. I'm going lighter for my next elk hunt, Kimber Mountain Ascent, either .308 or 7-08. Short action for sure. 4 pounds 13 ounces.

 

[Account Deleted]

You should buy a deer rifle. (That should about do it.)

 

[You]

I know how this ends. just order the m1 and be done with it

 

[Kurtr]

He’s probably only about 130” and I’m not really a shoulder mount kind of guy. I messaged KDM about hiring his beetles.

I got that wrong I was guessing high 140 that has some great mass and character.

 

[Fishmission]

Heavy dark rack... those are hard to come by

 

[Bed Wetter]

Got out the tape. 133”

 

[lunkerslayer]

What is your guys thoughts on a 280 remington model 700 ammo seems reasonable price

 

[PrairieGhost]

Bed Wetter I thought about the Montana because me son liked his. The only reason I didn't mention it was I was not sure the barrel in 308 had enough metal thickness for threading and shooting safely.

Edit: They do thread the hmmmm Adirondack I think. They also shoot very nice. I sighted one in (308) for my chiropractor with the 178 gr Hornady Precision Hunter ammo and he took a nice Mountain Goat at 500 yards with it.

 

[Bed Wetter]

Bed Wetter I thought about the Montana because me son liked his. The only reason I didn't mention it was I was not sure the barrel in 308 had enough metal thickness for threading and shooting safely.

Edit: They do thread the hmmmm Adirondack I think. They also shoot very nice. I sighted one in (308) for my chiropractor with the 178 gr Hornady Precision Hunter ammo and he took a nice Mountain Goat at 500 yards with it.

You know, I’ve got concerns about hanging a suppressor on this barrel, but guys do it and Kimber doesn’t make any suggestions not to. If it didn’t work, it’s be a safety concern and the manufacturer would be all over that for liability reasons. The smith at the outdoorsman is only able to get this barrel down to about 21” with his lathe. I might just contact Severance about doing the barrel cutting and threading. Still on the fence about cutting down the barrel.

 

[Downrigger]

Severance should be able to get it done for you. I need to get a gun down to him sometime this winter as well.

I never could say no to Leon either. Luckily I don't live in the Fargo area anymore which has probably saved me a substantial amount of money that last 4-years.

 

[PrairieGhost]

I think with 30 cal you can't cut 1/2 x 28, and 5/8 x 24 there isn't enough to make a shoulder to contact for stop. You may have to cut an odd thread and purchase an adapter. I know many adapters are available through Dakota Silencer, and I would guess other places. I know AD Arms (now in Michigan) would make anything you want and match the barrel thread.

FYI I know a couple of guys ( including my son) safety come loose. The screw can't get out of the stock so he took his apart over the table, then used lock tight on it.

Also, some are a bit picky on bullets and powder. I think it's a 1 in 12 twist. My sons started out with two inch groups, but with the 165 Sierra, hmmmm have to look up the powder, he was getting consistent 3/8 inch groups.

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If it didn’t work, it’s be a safety concern and the manufacturer would be all over that for liability reasons.

I am sure the liability falls on the gunsmith for altering the firearm. On my Cooper there is a piece of tape over the trigger. If I set the trigger different I no longer have a warranty. I said piss on the warranty, but found they had the trigger as light as it would go to start with.

 

[SupressYourself]

I think with 30 cal you can't cut 1/2 x 28,

You can certainly do this. I did with my 7mm for a 30 cal suppressor.

Just cut to 1/2 x28 and loctite the adapter on it to go 5/8 x24.

 

[Bed Wetter]

I think with 30 cal you can't cut 1/2 x 28, and 5/8 x 24 there isn't enough to make a shoulder to contact for stop. You may have to cut an odd thread and purchase an adapter. I know many adapters are available through Dakota Silencer, and I would guess other places. I know AD Arms (now in Michigan) would make anything you want and match the barrel thread.

FYI I know a couple of guys ( including my son) safety come loose. The screw can't get out of the stock so he took his apart over the table, then used lock tight on it.

Also, some are a bit picky on bullets and powder. I think it's a 1 in 12 twist. My sons started out with two inch groups, but with the 165 Sierra, hmmmm have to look up the powder, he was getting consistent 3/8 inch groups.

To thread the barrel and have an adequate shoulder for 1/2”x28, I need a minimum of .6” barrel diameter. To get there, I’d have to cut the barrel to 16.5” which is just too short. For this reason, Kimber uses a 7/16”x28 thread. Kimber makes a thread adapter to go from 7/16” to 5/8”. This means that at the muzzle, the barrel outer diameter will be .4375” and the inner diameter will be .308”. This will mean a barrel wall thickness of .06475” or ~3/64”. This is very thin, but also keep in mind that the rigidity of the thread adapter will add a lot of strength in that it will distribute weight onto the face of the shoulder.

Huh, I just figured out how this works. The key to safely putting a silencer on a pencil barrel is in having an adequate shoulder. Problem solved...

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You can certainly do this. I did with my 7mm for a 30 cal suppressor.

Just cut to 1/2 x28 and loctite the adapter on it to go 5/8 x24.

SPS barrel profile is surprisingly a lot thicker than a Kimber. Factory specs all say a minimum diameter of .6” is needed for 1/2x28 threading. The SPS is over .6” while the Montana doesn’t hit .6” until you come in 6” from the muzzle. It’s a 22” barrel.

 

[JayKay]

I’m spending this morning getting yesterday’s buck in the freezer. I am now pondering a new deer rifle. I brought two rifles with me, a short but heavy AR10 in 308 (18” barrel) and long and heavy Rem 700 in 308 (24” barrel). I happened to have the Remington with me when this joker crossed my path @ 190 yds. It was a chip shot but he was moving like a tango dancer with his nose to the ground. I’ll say it again: HAVING A SILENCER IS LIFE CHANGING. I didn’t see if or where I hit that buck in the tall grass but I sure as heck heard it. But, lugging around a 10 to 12 lb rifle/flagpole sucks. Time to spring for a shorter lighter suppressed rifle.

I need a stainless short action with a 20” medium or light profile barrel. I’ll be putting a silencer on it. I think I’m going to buy a Remington SPS and have the barrel cut/crowned/threaded @ 20”, then drop it in a Greyboe Outlander stock. For $1k this will be a dandy rifle for chasing deer.

So, NDA goobers, should I stick with .308 or is it worth it to neck some of my brass down to 7-08 or .243? (I have a mountain of good .308 brass). Or is there another rifle out there you’d recommend with a 20” barrel?

(much thanks to SDMF for his assistance in preparation for this year’s hunt!)

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Bed Wetter, didn't you tell me once, "you just need to work out more.."?



Well, that tears it. I'm never going to be able to run for President.

 

[guywhofishes]

WTH????

 

[PrairieGhost]

There are times when blindness would be an asset. ;:;rofl

 

[Huskerdu]

Not to steal a thread, I also was looking for a suppressed coyote rife , the Barrett 22-250 has a 1-7 twist, any idea why so fast ? 80-90 grain bullets ?