Current thoughts on the covid vaccine???

[ndfinfan]

Got my second Pfizer dose last Friday...didn't feel great/normal till Saturday afternoon...about 24 hours...but no real issues. The wife gets her second round next week...was really a no brainer for me but over the course of 20 plus years in the military I've gotten vaccines for small pox, yellow fever, anthrax, etc...so guess to me this is just another shot in the arm!?

 

[JayKay]

I won't debate with people dead-set against it. It's totally up to them. For me though, I'll get it when it's available to me.

COVID went through our house in December, and 5 of the 6 of us were positive. My 80+ yr old mother in law kicked it pretty quick. I however, suffered. Didn't require hospitalization, but 3 or 4 mornings I woke up and thought "today is the day I go to the hospital". Couldn't get a decent breath, which is purty scary.

I have a coworker/friend who was hospitalized for 21 days, is under 50 yrs old, and is in good shape. He just about didn't make it. Months later, and as of yesterday, he was still suffering.

I'm no doc, and I can't speak intelligently as to the possible side-effects, but it seems that on one hand, a few people had adverse reactions to the vaccine, and died. On the other hand, 450,000 Americans have died from COVID, or complications of COVID so far. Yes, many would have died anyhow, but why risk it? The numbers seem awfully lop-sided.

If you believe that COVID is no worse than the annual flu, and that this is no big deal, then carry on. If you still believe that this is a plot by Soros, and the democrats, and the far left, to hijack the presidency, then why would the rest of the world be experiencing the same deaths? Why would people in countries that have nothing to do with our politics, have all the casualties too? I dunno...

As to the original poster, why would you ignore advice from your medical professional, and seek advice on a fishing forum?

Nothing against this forum, or the people here, but as for me - I'll trust the professionals. And yes, I admit that the "experts" have been wrong before, but science is always at least trying to get closer to the truth.

I do not believe "they" are trying to control me, or somehow plant a chip in me, to control my meager finances, or find out where I go or what I do. I already carry a phone in my pocket that can tell them all of that.

 

[sl1000794]

Got my second Pfizer dose last Friday...didn't feel great/normal till Saturday afternoon...about 24 hours...but no real issues. The wife gets her second round next week...was really a no brainer for me but over the course of 20 plus years in the military I've gotten vaccines for small pox, yellow fever, anthrax, etc...so guess to me this is just another shot in the arm!?

I remember in Army basic in Ft. Lewis in Sep '68 going thru the line with nurses on each side with air powered needle guns giving us all the shots we would need no matter where we might end up! Just another day in the life.

 

[AaronJ]

Morjuan Williams of "The Five" fame recovered then was vacced: Why?...

Old Red Cross blood samples have shown antibodies previous to this shit even making the "news".

IMHO PG; get tested for antibodies before accepting the needle. I AM NOT A DOCTOR. MY ADVICE IS DANGEROUS.

Even if you catch it; you're going to recover statistically which has the left in panic as their "control" slips away...The person which/whom isolated HIV was not panicked and revealed it could be treated with vitamin D. THAT was stamped down back THEN and imagine trying to research it now...

Especially up here guys/gals: Get your VD. Especially/especially you office workers under those gd fluorescent lights.

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I AM NOT A DOCTOR. MY ADVICE IS DANGEROUS.

Research suggests that the immunity from the vaccine lasts 2-4 times as long as getting the virus. Also, each immune response is varied and people that get COVID may have just enough response to stay alive and not be overwhelmed by the virus; but have extremely limited immunity immediately after their course of illness. The vaccine causes a prolonged immune response that is stronger and lasts longer.

 

[Dirty]

How long do the antibodies last. I heard only a few months. If I had antibodies, I'd wait then get vaccinated after 3 months. There's talk of needing another dose next fall I hear, but IDK.

As of now, current research studies (real studies, not internet social media blog site research) show just about everyone who has been through a COVID infection has detectable antibodies 6 months to 8 months out (depends on how long the study has been collecting data) More time is needed to see how long those last. One thing we don’t have so far to tell us how long immunity lasts from the vaccine is time tested data on the general population, but we will before too long. It will be interesting to see if immunity from the vaccine lasts as long as immunity from the actual infection, because contrary to what is stated in the post above mine, we don’t know that yet.

Here’s my prediction, and I believe it will hold true: COVID is never going away. This is pretty much already a given. We will adjust to it but will not stomp it out. In a few years, pretty much everyone will have gotten it - even if you have been vaccinated. People will die from it every year, and as with most diseases it will continue to be the oldest, sickest, or weakest just as it has been and just like it is with many infections and I’ll eases. Eventually we will have good vaccines and a good vaccination program. That will turn into a mandatory ANNUAL vaccination for certain professions and for schools. It may be mandatory for anyone who wants to do much of anything publicly. It will be strongly recommended for everyone outside of schools and medical facilities at the very least. Also, the vaccine will constantly require updates as viruses constantly change.

Once we get that squared away, another stronger and more deadly virus will show up and we can go through this all over again. That is how nature balances out uncontrolled populations but rest assured - the political conspiracy theories will be abundant because that is how we try to explain natural phenomenon we don’t understand.

I think the toughest part about this is that it is being pushed so hard by the government and let’s face it, most people have lost faith in the government, including their “top epidemiologist”. I personally believe the words out of his mouth about as much as I believe any other politician...and he may very well be telling the truth - but he works for the government so everything in me says he’s just saying what people want to hear. It may as well be Joe Biden up there giving the updates. Anytime he or they tell you to do something, regardless of whether it comes from the left or right, a lot of people are now conditioned to do the opposite.

I can tell you that most medical professionals are also pushing for the vaccine based on what they have seen with their own two eyes and the “help” they are getting from the government is probably hurting the cause.

 

[shorthairsrus]

Over 30 million Americans have received the vaccine and there have been at most, one or two deaths from it.

Over 30 million Americans have caught covid and there have been some 450,000 deaths from it.

If you can't do that kind of math, you are a retard.

We finally agree on something regarding covid

 

[Sluggo]

I'm on the fence since I had covid and it was pretty mild. How long will the vaccine prevent it versus my antibodies, no one knows for sure. How many people are permanently damaged by the vaccine, you are not allowed to know that. There was a FB group site that contained personal accounts of people adversely affected by the vaccine and of course FB removed it. If the truth isn't that bad, why can't we know it? It makes me suspicious where I quit trusting everything. 450,000 have not died FROM covid. That's the count of those that died WITH covid and we all know it was exaggerated to make Trump look bad.

If I had underlying health conditions or was weak like [MENTION=324]JayKay[/MENTION], I would probably get it. At this point, I am in wait and see mode. Science changes every other day.

 

[PrairieGhost]

Good comments both ways. Yes if the liberals on another site had not kept saying Trump needs to follow the science and made it so political I wouldnt be as mistrusting. Then the idiot Fauchi causes mistrust for me. I flip flop from day to day one day thinking if my doc took it I can. Then I think of the heart specialist in1980 that told me that I needed a heart valve or I would never see my kids grow up. With the technology of the time I decided to go with what I had. Now my grandkids are graduating college and my heart doctor can find no evidence of a leaky heart valve. They also have no sense of humor. He was ticked I wouldnt listen to him and wanted to know why. In 1980 a dollar was worth a lot more and I told him that anyone who can get $55 out of me in five minutes without a gun scares me. Wow no sense of humor. Never seen him again. I guess I have been lucky because the times I listened to my doctor it has worked out, and the times I have not listened to my doctor it has worked out. Which means gather evidence if you can, and even from a site like this one can gather personal experiences. Thank guys I trust you a lot more than Fauchi.

 

[Migrator Man]

So I had my annual physical yesterday and my doc was hot on me to get the shot. Im 73 in a few weeks and doc says that because my heart rate is so low and the heart operates at about 55% thst I am at risk. He sure was against hydrochloroquin. I said the CDC approves it now. He said there was much better alternatives. My wife and I have a tough time msking up our mind. She donated a kidney and we both wonder which isnmore dangerouse covid or the shot. Thoughts????? I know we have tslked about this, but more people have been vaccinated and we may have some first hand accounts.

I love it when people don’t listen to doctors and decide to look it up on the internet on their own. They make you go to med schools for a reason otherwise we would all be doctors!

I have had Covid twice but it wasn’t that hard on me. My antibodies may have made it less severe but I still got it.

The neighbor down the street lost her mom to COVID and she is now also on oxygen because of the lung damage. The vaccine harmless and anyone who says differently is not even a doctor......

 

[shorthairsrus]

I love it when people don’t listen to doctors and decide to look it up on the internet on their own. They make you go to med schools for a reason otherwise we would all be doctors!



From the desk of Dr. Shorthairs OBN/GYN: For those of you that may of followed by little rant on how to beat COVID with statins (as i sit with a 34 LDL. Make sure you cut back a little and have a ribeye or two. Get some fat back in your system to prepare for the vac. The Vac will be more effective if it has something to stick to. Carry on gentlemen I have to go back to work " ""

 

[Allen]

I'm on the fence since I had covid and it was pretty mild. How long will the vaccine prevent it versus my antibodies, no one knows for sure. How many people are permanently damaged by the vaccine, you are not allowed to know that. There was a FB group site that contained personal accounts of people adversely affected by the vaccine and of course FB removed it. If the truth isn't that bad, why can't we know it? It makes me suspicious where I quit trusting everything. 450,000 have not died FROM covid. That's the count of those that died WITH covid and we all know it was exaggerated to make Trump look bad.

If I had underlying health conditions or was weak like @JayKay, I would probably get it. At this point, I am in wait and see mode. Science changes every other day.

The doctors who sign the death certificates and those who file the death certificates are likely to disagree with your thoughts on who did and did not die from Covid. This is now over a week old.

NVSS - Provisional Death Counts for COVID-19 - Executive Summary (cdc.gov)

If I had already caught and survived Covid with little to no symptoms, I would probably also be on the fence when it comes to getting the vaccine. As is, I know too many people who have had a rough go of it, died from it, or are now experiencing long-term Covid problems (congestive heart failure, frequent and repetitive pneumonia, etc). And no, not all of those were already on their last leg. So I consider those outcomes to be a far cry worse than what I've seen and heard about the vaccine.

 

[deleted member]

total excess deaths above average for the year 2/1/2020-1/31/2021... 483,000. believe all you want in the conspiracy world and about whether they died with covid or from covid, etc... that number isn't falsified unless we have hospitals and medical examiners creating death certificates for people who aren't dead. and there simply is no other way to explain the number of excess deaths other than COVID-19. to put that number into perspective... that is more than we lost in WWII and vietnam combined. over just a 12 month span.

 

[guywhofishes]

wait a minute... are you guys saying ALL the "died as a result of COVID complications" were genuine? NOT done to collect on relief funds?

Every COVID death report was on the up and up?

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total excess deaths above average for the year 2/1/2020-1/31/2021... 483,000. believe all you want in the conspiracy world and about whether they died with covid or from covid, etc... that number isn't falsified unless we have hospitals and medical examiners creating death certificates for people BECAUSE IT WAS LUCRATIVE. and there simply is no other way to explain the number of excess deaths other than COVID-19. to put that number into perspective... that is more than we lost in WWII and vietnam combined. over just a 12 month span.

FIFY - maybe

I'd like to understand what the financial repercussions of COVID deaths was. Does anybody have trusted information with regard to this?

You know damn well that if $$$ is involved, people will cheat like there's no tomorrow and with zero guilt. Because it's a "victimless" crime.

 

[deleted member]

there was actually "only" 421K deaths attributed to covid on death certificates. draw your own conclusions on what people did or did not do to collect relief funds. but, i've got no other way to explain the roughly 12%+ above average number of deaths in that 12 month span. that's either covid or a hell of a statistical anomaly and quite the coincidence that it happened to occur the same year we were in a "pandemic".

 

[Ruttin]

I had the china virus and will not get the vax. Ii will take my chance with a 99.7% survival rate. By the way, where did the flu go?? Carry on.

 

[v193]

Im out!!

 

[Allen]

wait a minute... are you guys saying ALL the "died as a result of COVID complications" were genuine? NOT done to collect on relief funds?

Every COVID death report was on the up and up?

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FIFY - maybe

I'd like to understand what the financial repercussions of COVID deaths was. Does anybody have trusted information with regard to this?

You know damn well that if $$$ is involved, people will cheat like there's no tomorrow and with zero guilt. Because it's a "victimless" crime.

Near as I could tell, the $$$ per covid infection is a simple misrepresentation of reality.

The fed govt had a program(s) to help states/cities setup testing sites and extra hospital beds. Basically it was a "what do you need kind of thing". So the feds handed the cash strapped states and cities a grant in order for them to build/buy/fund what they had justified.

Then some dumbass took the granted money and divided it by the number of covid infections to arrive at a $$$ per covid kind of metric. Well, that is dumb because it wasn't the govt saying we will give you XXX dollars for every covid. And that's why you hear all sorts of numbers, some say ND got/gets $13k for every covid infection and then you had places like NY that "got" $50k for each infection.

Note, my numbers are fictional, but that process and misrepresentation of reality is what we all hear about.


Now, on the flip side, the fed government has largely picked up the tab for testing and patient treatment. But I am pretty sure it's for the actual cost, and not a XXX dollars per person infected. When you think about it, a person that spends 45 days on a respirator in ICU costs a hell of a lot more than the asymptomatic person.

Don't get me wrong, I fully agree with you in that where there's fed money, there's fraud and abuse.

 

[guywhofishes]

I see - I understand your logic espringers.

I guess I'm not familiar with the yearly stats, how they calculate "normal" year, how often excess deaths jump around (bad flu season vs mild) - so I can't necessarily interpret it as a monstrous bump because maybe I'm ignorant of what would be expected.

Anybody know how the flu death rate changed during the same period? Miraculous drop I suppose? If so, it's due to the masks? But is it really due to the masks? Or false attribution?

And did the way our gov't tell us to hunker down actually save lives? Was that really the best way to approach this? How many people died who wouldn't have had they been allowed to "live" their normal life?

No easy answers. Strange complicated stuff.

Not arguing that it's nasty - but like Sluggo - the gov't has given me zero reasons to trust any of this crap anymore.

 

[deleted member]

guy, i am not necessarily saying some shady folks didn't list covid as a cause of death when it wasn't. but, you will be hard pressed to convince me they actually fabricated deaths and corresponding death certificates. going back to review the actual cause of death post burial or cremation would be hard. but, verifying whether someone actually died or didn't die would be easy. and from what i read, allen's explanation of the $ per death numbers we keep hearing about is accurate. i could be wrong. but, i don't think hospitals actually got extra $ every time they listed "covid" on a death certificate. it was a 20% add on or extra reimbursement from the feds for treatment of covid through CARES act. but, no additional funds upon death.

 

[guywhofishes]

Here's a study short enough to read and it has interesting/educational thoughts toward the end and a good graphic.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/2/pdfs/20-2999.pdf

I found their remarks about the difficulty of factoring in previous season's mildness (leaving a larger pool of susceptible people for COVID) interesting. One of those things a neophyte like me would not ponder.

This stuff is tough to tease out.

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Seems to me we need to do mandatory testing for influenza upon every death to figure out what critter is really to blame.