Chevy vs Ford

[Fester]

Unfortunately until American manufacturers can get their shit together and supply their own electronic hardware we will continue to see vehicles with problems. I really do hope some company comes in and can build a new 4 wheel drive that is bare bones for half what the other companies sell theirs for. No one really needs all these fancy vehicles with 14 inch displays, sensors for everything or other gimmicks that the avg Joe has gone without for decades. Just make a vehicle that can work without needing to be brought in to the dealer for bullshit sensor or software issues.

https://www.slate.auto/en

To bad its electric..the suv version reminds me of the 80's chevy s-10

 

[Zogman]

Unfortunately until American manufacturers can get their shit together and supply their own electronic hardware we will continue to see vehicles with problems. I really do hope some company comes in and can build a new 4 wheel drive that is bare bones for half what the other companies sell theirs for. No one really needs all these fancy vehicles with 14 inch displays, sensors for everything or other gimmicks that the avg Joe has gone without for decades. Just make a vehicle that can work without needing to be brought in to the dealer for bullshit sensor or software issues.

AGREE 110%

Please check your PM. THX!

 

[svnmag]

I went to Ford when they didn't take the Obammy bailout.

Have experience with cousin's and pard's Eco Boost V6. Both would blow away my '09 5.4 (327ci) and sound "better". Pard traded his for an "American" rice burner after he read the EB engine was a time bomb.

Any "time bomb" experiences on the side of the road?

I will also attest the aluminum body F150/V6 EB compared to my truck is like an F4 v F16. It's perceptively superior in acceleration and "drives" "more" like a car; so much so; it's more than imperative to be cognizant of it's length.

That's what she said.

 

[snow2]

Unfortunately until American manufacturers can get their shit together and supply their own electronic hardware we will continue to see vehicles with problems. I really do hope some company comes in and can build a new 4 wheel drive that is bare bones for half what the other companies sell theirs for. No one really needs all these fancy vehicles with 14 inch displays, sensors for everything or other gimmicks that the avg Joe has gone without for decades. Just make a vehicle that can work without needing to be brought in to the dealer for bullshit sensor or software issues.

Gm has the "work truck" package, bench seat,rubber floor trailering pkg,locking diff,engine options,pretty sure f.o.r.d. has the same?

 

[lunkerslayer]

Gm has the "work truck" package, bench seat,rubber floor trailering pkg,locking diff,engine options,pretty sure f.o.r.d. has the same?

Its still around 50 grand which to me is still too much for the avg person that's wants a vehicle thwt still has the issues with reliability.

 

[Fester]

Its still around 50 grand which to me is still too much for the avg person that's wants a vehicle thwt still has the issues with reliability.

I find it hard to buy a chevy...i am NOT brand loyal. The amount they want for a pickup and they do zero R&D. Basically from what I see they let ford do all the research then just copy them..same with Toyota. I give Ford props for atleast trying. Toyota and Chevy wait to see what gains traction then they go with it but still charge the same or more. As far as reliability...they are all good truck and will have their issues.

 

[Migrator Man]

Supposedly Trump is supposed to roll back the fuel economy standards. If that is true and depending how much --- could we see Toyota roll back the 5.7, GM no more cylinder deactivation and Ford start making more yotes.

Not buying another vehicle until the engines and transmissions become bulletproof again. Enough of this turbo active fuel management bs and transmissions failing before 100k

 

[Migrator Man]

I find it hard to buy a chevy...i am NOT brand loyal. The amount they want for a pickup and they do zero R&D. Basically from what I see they let ford do all the research then just copy them..same with Toyota. I give Ford props for atleast trying. Toyota and Chevy wait to see what gains traction then they go with it but still charge the same or more. As far as reliability...they are all good truck and will have their issues.

They are not reliable or good trucks, none of them

 

[Allen]

Unfortunately until American manufacturers can get their shit together and supply their own electronic hardware we will continue to see vehicles with problems. I really do hope some company comes in and can build a new 4 wheel drive that is bare bones for half what the other companies sell theirs for. No one really needs all these fancy vehicles with 14 inch displays, sensors for everything or other gimmicks that the avg Joe has gone without for decades. Just make a vehicle that can work without needing to be brought in to the dealer for bullshit sensor or software issues.

Who among us drive the absolute lowest trim level for any of the Big 3 American manufacturer?

I no longer do with my pickup, but still do with my 2015 4Runner that I special ordered for that exact reason. But, I am pretty sure sales numbers suggest that is not the case for many personal consumers.

 

[Fester]

They are not reliable or good trucks, none of them

I would say most are decent. I have seen a number of trucks with 200k or more that still had original tranny and engine. Back in the 80's and 90's thst was unheard of and extremely rare.

 

[Fester]

Not buying another vehicle until the engines and transmissions become bulletproof again. Enough of this turbo active fuel management bs and transmissions failing before 100k

Not talking about trucks here but those cvt transmisions are bad and need to be axed!

 

[snow2]

I find it hard to buy a chevy...i am NOT brand loyal. The amount they want for a pickup and they do zero R&D. Basically from what I see they let ford do all the research then just copy them..same with Toyota. I give Ford props for atleast trying. Toyota and Chevy wait to see what gains traction then they go with it but still charge the same or more. As far as reliability...they are all good truck and will have their issues.

Well + and - both ford/GM does Ford trucks still use manual mechanical lock outs on 4x4's? Seems like a costly maintenance issue down the road, I remember when GM came out with they're all new suburban in late 90's GM had dealers from around the country come for the unveiling and had the all new Ford excursion to compare with said suburban, Ford was more stout better ground clearance...closer inspection relieved $10k more $$ over suburban but also tje excursion was built on Fords f250 crew cab chassis that Ford welded a cap on p/u box and this high end trim pkg Ford still had hub lock outs.
Never could figure out why Ford never by passed manual mechanical 4x4 hubs,excessive wear from transfer case front-end components, poor fuel economy not that we purchase trucks for fuel economy but 20mpgs vs 10 to 12 mpgs makes a difference.

 

[Zogman]

Who among us drive the absolute lowest trim level for any of the Big 3 American manufacturer?

Just did 5 weeks ago. Ford F150 STX check it out.

I no longer do with my pickup, but still do with my 2015 4Runner that I special ordered for that exact reason. But, I am pretty sure sales numbers suggest that is not the case for many personal consumers.

 

[SDMF]

Never could figure out why Ford never by passed manual mechanical 4x4 hubs,excessive wear from transfer case front-end components, poor fuel economy not that we purchase trucks for fuel economy but 20mpgs vs 10 to 12 mpgs makes a difference.

SuperDuty lock-outs are not the traditional "Free" and "Locked". They're "Auto" and "Locked". I've driven over 300K Mi between 2 SuperDuty Ford's and only had to actually "lock-in" a few times ice-fishing when things got wet and then iced up while we were fishing. Somewhere between 220K Mi and 230K Mi I replaced both front hub assembly/wheel-bearings. I don't think the front end or transfer case of a SuperDuty wears any faster than any other full-size pickup because of the option to lock-in 4WD, especially since almost nobody ever actually does it.

I did replace all the rubber vacuum lines for the 4WD on my current '11 F250 a couple years back. Actuation was getting slow after 12yrs and 200K+ Mi. The system works just like it's new now. It'll quickly shift from 2WD to 4-Hi without moving/rolling, I do that on the boat ramp if I forget to put it in 4WD when I'm back up.

If Ford still made the Excursion that's very likely what I'd be driving.

Not talking about trucks here but those cvt transmisions are bad and need to be axed!

Some of them are really good. Subaru's CVT is pretty bullet-proof. I put 150K on a Nissan Murano and the wife has almost 40K on her Murano, there's never been a single issue with either regarding the CVT, they're smooth and you don't really notice them doing what they do. The Murano still has just a plain-old very reliable EFI (DFI actually I think), 3.5L V-6 that Nissan has been making for a very long time. The CVT allows that 3.5L V-6 to get Highway mileage that rivals 4-Cyl turbo/hybrid vehicles in the same class. The Nissan CVT is a whole lot more refined than the Subaru. Kiddo has a Forester and I had a 2011 or 2012 Legacy that I put about 80K on. The Subaru CVT is very much akin to driving a snowmobile. Mash the gas and the tach runs up to 6K and holds that RPM.

 

[johnr]

Just ordered my 2025 F150 long box yesterday for my work vehicle.
I have always had pretty good luck with Fords, and as 7 stated, that Obama payout was a real bugger for me

 

[Tommyboy]

Just ordered my 2025 F150 long box yesterday for my work vehicle.
I have always had pretty good luck with Fords, and as 7 stated, that Obama payout was a real bugger for me

I'll never buy a GM vehicle again for this exact reason.

Another thing that get my gears grinding is GM will never address ANY of their KNOWN problems. Look how many rusted out wheel wells on any late model GM pickup. Don't even get me started on their oil coolant lines.

 

[lunkerslayer]

I worked with 2 from my other job, one was a diehard Mopar, the a bowtie and both switched to the blue oval because of the others lack of quality models.

 

[Shockwave]

Unfortunately until American manufacturers can get their shit together and supply their own electronic hardware we will continue to see vehicles with problems. I really do hope some company comes in and can build a new 4 wheel drive that is bare bones for half what the other companies sell theirs for. No one really needs all these fancy vehicles with 14 inch displays, sensors for everything or other gimmicks that the avg Joe has gone without for decades. Just make a vehicle that can work without needing to be brought in to the dealer for bullshit sensor or software issues.

And the fact that you have to take a whole front end apart to change the headlight.

 

[lunkerslayer]

The downside of aluminum body is the cost to repair compared to the traditional steel body, the aluminum stretches causing waves on the whole body piece, which means the whole panel need to be replaced. don't ask me how i know.

 

[Fester]

Well + and - both ford/GM does Ford trucks still use manual mechanical lock outs on 4x4's? Seems like a costly maintenance issue down the road, I remember when GM came out with they're all new suburban in late 90's GM had dealers from around the country come for the unveiling and had the all new Ford excursion to compare with said suburban, Ford was more stout better ground clearance...closer inspection relieved $10k more $$ over suburban but also tje excursion was built on Fords f250 crew cab chassis that Ford welded a cap on p/u box and this high end trim pkg Ford still had hub lock outs.
Never could figure out why Ford never by passed manual mechanical 4x4 hubs,excessive wear from transfer case front-end components, poor fuel economy not that we purchase trucks for fuel economy but 20mpgs vs 10 to 12 mpgs makes a difference.

Agree plus or minus. Like i said my opinion bith are good trucks..one does r and the other does not.