A.I. Are you Excited?

[lunkerslayer]

I heard an interesting point the other day: What about interns? Think about it for a second. Right now (and likely for the foreseeable future) AI is handling the simplest, most mundane and/or, least impactful duties; think making a new logo, or entering data into a spreadsheet. These are tasks that, historically, have been done by the newest and greenest employees. Busy work. Things that need to be done correctly, but that can act as both learning experiences, as well as helping an individual potentially advance in a trade or company.

So unless a company is doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, why would they have interns to do tasks that AI is already doing for them? And if they don't need to hire humans for entry-level grunt work, how do they find individuals with the expertise and skills to work in more technical areas? And this could expand even further into our education system. We could see a systematic domino effect directly related to an increasingly large knowledge gap within the human population.

I do see unemployment going up as AI continues to infiltrate the economy and our daily lives. But it's not some paradise of hunting, fishing and gardening waiting for us. That would mean that capitalism is no longer a thing. Or that they create universal income. Neither of which makes any sense for the Top 1 percent. We're literally seeing some of the wealthiest and most powerful people on the planet actively sucking in even more wealth and power. You think they'd give all that up if we suddenly didn't need to spend money?

To put it plain: I think we're unequivocally fucked.

Then again, we're always one war, or comet, or natural disaster away from some cataclysm. So just chalk this up as one more thing that could potentially wipe us off the planet.

Probably should be more worried about the status of our job market now with big tech hiring b1bs by the plane load then worring about what will happen with ai.

 

[Rowdie]

 

[Lycanthrope]

There’s no question AI is taking out those intern level positions already. I see most users using it as you stated….taking care of the easy duties, mostly simple stuff. Few have harnessed it to do the deeper, more complex terms. Same with the public, the use the search AI answer and that is it. The real quantum leap will take place when the mid level complex tasks are figured out by more people. Job loss will accelerate at that point. We’re working towards it but it’s slow.

In education it’s really nothing new. Math teachers have been fighting several programs for years. English teachers are now in the war. Most I know are making kids do work in writing, showing their work. But then they’re teaching kids to use it to improve their work. You can’t fight it, you e just got to teach responsible use. Some of the crap writing I got when teaching was very bad…and I’d have encouraged an AI polish if it existed then. Does it hinder thinking? Unquestionably yes.

We’re headed for Idiocracy.

The big change will be when AI can consistently teach better than teachers... No more "smart children held back" programs. Those who are truly exceptional will be encouraged and enabled to accelerate, while those who struggle will essentially have full time competent tutors. If done correctly, it will be a win/win, unless you are a teacher, of course.

 

[Kurtr]

How is ai going to break up a fight in the hall way

 

[Traxion]

The big change will be when AI can consistently teach better than teachers... No more "smart children held back" programs. Those who are truly exceptional will be encouraged and enabled to accelerate, while those who struggle will essentially have full time competent tutors. If done correctly, it will be a win/win, unless you are a teacher, of course.

You’ve never been a teacher in a classroom if you think it’s that simple. The teacher’s role is much beyond teaching the subject matter and those will never be replaced by AI. Helping keep kids on task, motivating them, steering them towards interests and strengths. I personally believe many of the intangibles people think AI will provide are missing a big part of what an educator does.

I was a classroom teacher during Covid. We went full virtual at the end of the year and had hybrid options in years after. While these were haphazard at first, the later options were improved. Current online learning options are even stronger with AI. But from what I saw then my concern isn’t the content or curriculum. It’s the kids actually doing anything without someone there to guide them. During our virtual time I’ve never seen such poor performance when the students (and parents) were the captain of the ship. Most did nothing, even the best kids. There just wasn’t the accountability there and if you replace teachers with AI I’d guess you’ll see the same.

I’m no longer in education and do support flexible learning options. If you are a family that can make it work, your kid will do the work, and AI will teach, great. 3 hours to do a days work? More power to you. But remember there are kids and families that won’t. And without education we’ll just end up paying for them later. Unless you go by what Elon said.

Finally, you’ll never convince me AI is going to replace a shop teacher or other hands on learning. There’s so many kids out there who get no experience in stuff like this without school. We’re going to need welders and mechanics and just simply kids who can use the thought process that goes along with building and fixing stuff. AI can’t replace that.

 

[Lycanthrope]

You’ve never been a teacher in a classroom if you think it’s that simple. The teacher’s role is much beyond teaching the subject matter and those will never be replaced by AI. Helping keep kids on task, motivating them, steering them towards interests and strengths. I personally believe many of the intangibles people think AI will provide are missing a big part of what an educator does.

I was a classroom teacher during Covid. We went full virtual at the end of the year and had hybrid options in years after. While these were haphazard at first, the later options were improved. Current online learning options are even stronger with AI. But from what I saw then my concern isn’t the content or curriculum. It’s the kids actually doing anything without someone there to guide them. During our virtual time I’ve never seen such poor performance when the students (and parents) were the captain of the ship. Most did nothing, even the best kids. There just wasn’t the accountability there and if you replace teachers with AI I’d guess you’ll see the same.

I’m no longer in education and do support flexible learning options. If you are a family that can make it work, your kid will do the work, and AI will teach, great. 3 hours to do a days work? More power to you. But remember there are kids and families that won’t. And without education we’ll just end up paying for them later. Unless you go by what Elon said.

Finally, you’ll never convince me AI is going to replace a shop teacher or other hands on learning. There’s so many kids out there who get no experience in stuff like this without school. We’re going to need welders and mechanics and just simply kids who can use the thought process that goes along with building and fixing stuff. AI can’t replace that.

I envision each student having dedicated help, AI watching each child for signs of boredom and giving them the opportunity for breaks on an individualized level or switching gears when the student starts to check out. Essentially each student could have an EIP custom tailored to his personality, competence level and interests. From my experience, many kids are eager to learn, especially when they are younger and our current education system beats that out of them and makes them end up hating the process, I hope AI can fix that...

 

[Rowdie]

This tech is amazing, and it's being held by a human. In the hands of a robot would be even better.

 

[Kurtr]

I envision each student having dedicated help, AI watching each child for signs of boredom and giving them the opportunity for breaks on an individualized level or switching gears when the student starts to check out. Essentially each student could have an EIP custom tailored to his personality, competence level and interests. From my experience, many kids are eager to learn, especially when they are younger and our current education system beats that out of them and makes them end up hating the process, I hope AI can fix that...

Its IEP and no computer will be able to take the place of human interaction then you will have a bunch of weirdos that cant be in public and socialize

 

[wslayer]

AI should be confined to the science industry. It can Use all materials and data info from the smallest of studies to expansive studies on how and why certain drugs are used to work against or for the curing of cancers, diseases, etc. It sure as hell doesn't need to be used in the entertainment business of making of movies etc. It gets to the stage of the common person not knowing what is real or not anymore.

 

[Traxion]

I envision each student having dedicated help, AI watching each child for signs of boredom and giving them the opportunity for breaks on an individualized level or switching gears when the student starts to check out. Essentially each student could have an EIP custom tailored to his personality, competence level and interests. From my experience, many kids are eager to learn, especially when they are younger and our current education system beats that out of them and makes them end up hating the process, I hope AI can fix that...

Pipe dream. You’re missing the step where the kid has to turn on the computer. Because 80% won’t. And younger kids will need more than just a computer turned on for them. Our educational system is far from perfect but AI can’t replace the things learned outside the taught lesson. I think your vision for AI adapting to each kid is exactly the right direction but still has so many questions. We can’t track kids into pathways now, at least officially. Are we going to be ok with a computer doing it to them? Dumb kids aisle a to mechanics, smart kids to engineers? There is much more to it than that.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Pipe dream. You’re missing the step where the kid has to turn on the computer. Because 80% won’t. And younger kids will need more than just a computer turned on for them. Our educational system is far from perfect but AI can’t replace the things learned outside the taught lesson. I think your vision for AI adapting to each kid is exactly the right direction but still has so many questions. We can’t track kids into pathways now, at least officially. Are we going to be ok with a computer doing it to them? Dumb kids aisle a to mechanics, smart kids to engineers? There is much more to it than that.

I wouldnt describe mechanics as dumb... but absolutely children should be encouraged to play to their strengths. Also, parents need to play an active role in their children's education. It was never a good idea to hand your kids off to state institutions to teach them everything they need to know, and our old model of throwing 40 kids into a classroom to be lectured will hopefully go away soon. If, as many predict, AI takes over most knowledge jobs, the goals of education will need to adapt rapidly in the next few decades. Its well known that boys need more frequent breaks and more actitivty than girls do, but in our current system, which is largely optimized towards female learning success, many boys are not just falling through the cracks, they are being actively harmed by our current structure and institutions.

 

[SupressYourself]

The big change will be when AI can consistently teach better than teachers... No more "smart children held back" programs. Those who are truly exceptional will be encouraged and enabled to accelerate, while those who struggle will essentially have full time competent tutors. If done correctly, it will be a win/win, unless you are a teacher, of course.

Without incentive, even "smart" kids (and humans in general) will only do what they're forced to do. There are exceptions, of course, but when, in your AI-powered "utopia" all incentive to get ahead has been removed, where does the motivation come from?
You can see this first-hand as you drive through certain, ahem, communities where the government has provided all necessities. There's not a lot of incentive to "get ahead", and the results speak for themselves.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Without incentive, even "smart" kids (and humans in general) will only do what they're forced to do. There are exceptions, of course, but when, in your AI-powered "utopia" all incentive to get ahead has been removed, where does the motivation come from?
You can see this first-hand as you drive through certain, ahem, communities where the government has provided all necessities. There's not a lot of incentive to "get ahead", and the results speak for themselves.

no doubt incentive could be an issue, depending how things progress. There are other rewards, besides money though. Just like dogs, children, and humans in general, can be inspired by both positive and negative reinforcement.

 

[Kurtr]

no doubt incentive could be an issue, depending how things progress. There are other rewards, besides money though. Just like dogs, children, and humans in general, can be inspired by both positive and negative reinforcement.

What positive reinforcement would there be. Dogs you use food humans money is used in the same way. All i see is negative

 

[LBrandt]

Just so damed glad I am as old as I is so I will not see the end of this shit. Right now I get 20 calls a day from a AI generated scam for North Dakota final expense program, been teaching a few of these rag head proper english with a construction accent and a sailor undertone. About the only AI that I like is auto correct spelling on my computer so you guys can understand some of my words. Best wishes to all. LB

 

[Browneye]

no doubt incentive could be an issue, depending how things progress. There are other rewards, besides money though. Just like dogs, children, and humans in general, can be inspired by both positive and negative reinforcement.

I shudder to think what the positive or negative reinforcement would be when the government controls AI.

 

[Lycanthrope]

What positive reinforcement would there be. Dogs you use food humans money is used in the same way. All i see is negative

more breaks from study, snacks, young children respond well to praise often. Young boys are often quite competitive with their friends/peers. Make learning a game with a reward for the best, even recognition might work. I know when I was in grade school me and a couple friends would race to get our assignments completed, just for bragging rights.

 

[Rowdie]

For all you GOFERS out there

 

[Lycanthrope]

For all you GOFERS out there

AI glasses can identify people you pass on the street also. How much would it help for meeting women if you could walk up to them and know their name, their hobbies and interests, relationship status etc, before you even say hi?

 

[Kurtr]

more breaks from study, snacks, young children respond well to praise often. Young boys are often quite competitive with their friends/peers. Make learning a game with a reward for the best, even recognition might work. I know when I was in grade school me and a couple friends would race to get our assignments completed, just for bragging rights.

So it would sound like stephen hawking telling them good job. I bet that will get them so excited . They get grades thats the reward they also get recognition already. What you described is exactly what is happening now and i dont see ai helping anything except making them lazy and dependent and not able to freely problem solve