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<blockquote data-quote="Tymurrey" data-source="post: 355114" data-attributes="member: 859">That's mostly what i've been reading for minimum velocities as well. Most people say to add a couple hundred fps on to that to be safe. My concern is what barnes calls expansion. Will the tip just expand a little or will it go to the full 1.5-2x its diameter and how much shock will there be still when it hits. solid copper bullets are weird to me because they don't dump all or most of their energy into the animal, just a portion of it and it relies on the shock of the bullet and the cavity to quickly dispatch game. Essentially I don't want to end up with a wounded animal or a long tracking job because the bullet didn't disrupt enough in the animal internally to quickly kill it. I agree for capabilities. The fancy scopes and charts help but you still need to practice and have the skills. I have yet to find a time where I needed to shoot over 500 yards but having the ability to do it ethically is nice. I practice consistently to 800 and further when I can.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tymurrey, post: 355114, member: 859"] That's mostly what i've been reading for minimum velocities as well. Most people say to add a couple hundred fps on to that to be safe. My concern is what barnes calls expansion. Will the tip just expand a little or will it go to the full 1.5-2x its diameter and how much shock will there be still when it hits. solid copper bullets are weird to me because they don't dump all or most of their energy into the animal, just a portion of it and it relies on the shock of the bullet and the cavity to quickly dispatch game. Essentially I don't want to end up with a wounded animal or a long tracking job because the bullet didn't disrupt enough in the animal internally to quickly kill it. I agree for capabilities. The fancy scopes and charts help but you still need to practice and have the skills. I have yet to find a time where I needed to shoot over 500 yards but having the ability to do it ethically is nice. I practice consistently to 800 and further when I can. [/QUOTE]

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