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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tim Sandstrom" data-source="post: 238915" data-attributes="member: 1108">I sorta stand with one foot on each of the line here.  Mentioned, I did see pretty much every doe with fawns.  A couple who over achieved with trips.  But overall, I am not sure I could equate out the 16 percent increase.  I don't fly a plane obviously, I can only go by what is in the road ditches too and from hunting locations and what I see with optics near and afar.  We normally go in the dark, work the country until the shadows start to deplete and then go back to camp to rest a couple hours.  Then try to be back out in the evening in time to watch the shadows begin casting from the shifting sun and come out in the dark.  Depending if working creek areas down low (when the damn wind is blowing) or working ridgelines not to silhouette one's self too much we see 360 degree 1 ish miles in all directions.  We don't move too fast when in seek mode so its lots of eyes stuck in the glass.  I'd say on most walks we'd each lay eyes on 15-20 deer.  Low side is 3-5.  High side is over 20.  I'll be curious how the surveys come back (was survey sent with every mule deer hunter...or at least my brother got on) asking for hunters to give a more detailed breakdown of the deer they saw in the field.  Granted, doing the ole road hunt a guy can probably see over 15-20 deer because a lot of times, covering much more ground than a morning or evening stroll.I get a bit nervous with the aerial surveys because unsure how "localized" they get with deer numbers.  While they stated 4a required some attention units 4c and 4b are huge and sometimes, I wonder if they shouldn't break down those units a bit more.  Maybe they do, I don't know, they don't do a terrific job of explaining their deer counting numbers and I haven't asked in great detail.Plan to do that at advisory meetings.  Be nice piece to add as a video review thing-a-ma-bob the do weekly or monthly.- - - Updated - - -I have never wanted someone to receive dumb luck soooo bad.  Because, yes, it does require luck.  Some of it is dumb luck but I also think luck favors the prepared mind.  The poor fella coulda used a blast of dumb luck just to make him fend off selling his backpacking gear and getting an S-10 (smooth ride with good gas mileage) with fuel tank in back, a topper to sleep in the pickup box and turning into strictly a road warrior.- - - Updated - - -I think we could come up with some nice compromises.  Reduce rifle time in the rut, perhaps convince forest service to enforce or put up signage to help so-called roadless areas actually be true roadless areas, maybe we start looking at curbing archery a bit in certain ways (limited entry or permit to badlands units, do we reduce NRs, do we raise NR tag prices, one buck only, other?  I mean, if I have to wait 6-9 years to draw a Badlands tag the way it is, why not expand it a bit so we balance opportunity with some chances at age class.  Obviously, cannot fend of any wicked rath of Mother Nature but I'd like the conversation to happen anyway.</blockquote>

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