Curiosity 🤔

[wslayer]

Just wondering if anyone knows. Supposedly there is 6.7 million Ev's sold in the United States. Do they pay higher vehicle registration fees and license fees to help fund United States Highways ? They are no longer paying a gas tax and about the only way they would be contributing would be those fees.
And what is to be done with all the dead batteries when they go belly up ?

 

[Davy Crockett]

I'm not sure but you picked a clever title for the topic. No way any of us could have scrolled past without clicking.

 

[Rowdie]

Can EVs be used as a backup generator for a house? Imagine the possibilities if older EVs could be recycled somehow to be used as backup generators.

 

[Fester]

Can EVs be used as a backup generator for a house? Imagine the possibilities if older EVs could be recycled somehow to be used as backup generators.

There is always a way....

 

[SDMF]

Can EVs be used as a backup generator for a house? Imagine the possibilities if older EVs could be recycled somehow to be used as backup generators.

Just would take the proper panel wiring and an "out" plug on the E-Vehicle. Batteries don't care where they send electricity.

The 1st Ford F-150 Hybrid "PowerBoost" commercials had the pickup powering up a house. It only supplies about 2K Watts so you're not running a full house, but, if you have the panel set up for a generator it's better than nothing.

I think filling the pickup w/gas after using it as a generator would have a person heading to the generator store for something that is a lot more fuel efficient for 2K Watts vs. an idling 3.5L V-6. Wouldn't take very long at all for a 2K Honda to pay for itself in saved fuel vs. an idling pickup.

 

[Wall-eyes]

They do not pay any tax like we do for fuel, I have a guy at work has one

 

[Davy Crockett]

In North Dakota, EV owners pay an additional annual registration fee of $120 on top of regular registration fees. Plug-in hybrid owners pay an additional $50. There are no state incentives for buying or driving EVs in North Dakota.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• All-electric vehicles: Pay an additional $120 per year on top of standard registration fees.
• Plug-in hybrid electric vehicles: Pay an additional $50 per year on top of standard registration fees.
• Electric motorcycles: Pay an additional $20 per year on top of standard registration fees.

These additional fees are intended to compensate for the lack of fuel tax revenue from EVs, as they do not rely on gasoline

 

[Obi-Wan]

Can EVs be used as a backup generator for a house? Imagine the possibilities if older EVs could be recycled somehow to be used as backup generators.

How long would the battery last before that needed recharging ? Then what ?

 

[Davy Crockett]

When I was drilling wells I always wanted to build batteries with plastic casing and lower into a cased hole , say 10 or 20 footers and multiples. That cool ground would be a perfect environment for battery storage. I got old and quit experimenting but It has potential, environment protection shouldn't be an issue.

 

[SDMF]

How long would the battery last before that needed recharging ? Then what ?

1. Capacity vs. Draw + math.
2. An Alternator, an exercise bike, a couple pulleys, a drive belt, and a MacGyver'd power cord.

 

[wslayer]

Just would take the proper panel wiring and an "out" plug on the E-Vehicle. Batteries don't care where they send electricity.

The 1st Ford F-150 Hybrid "PowerBoost" commercials had the pickup powering up a house. It only supplies about 2K Watts so you're not running a full house, but, if you have the panel set up for a generator it's better than nothing.

I think filling the pickup w/gas after using it as a generator would have a person heading to the generator store for something that is a lot more fuel efficient for 2K Watts vs. an idling 3.5L V-6. Wouldn't take very long at all for a 2K Honda to pay for itself in saved fuel vs. an idling pickup.

Some of the newer fancy ones are putting out 7.2 k. I know a guy that runs his castle off his truck. Vehicle automatically starts when volts go down so low, runs for about 20 mins and then shuts off again.

 

[Davy Crockett]

I thought by now flexible roof solar panels and small wind turbines would have gained traction, It's gotta be close to 20 years ago a guy told me about rolled roofing solar panels that replaced the need for shingles. plug and play that any carpenter could install.

Now days it would be pretty easy to go off the grid if you have a source of firewood. My grandparents did it with kerosene for years then at some point got a 25 volt wind charger . Our area was one of the last to get electricity so they used it for quite a few years. It was dismantled before I came along but I was intrigued with the propeller and the thick glass aquarium that was used for acid and lead plates. No idea it they converted 25 V DC to use it.

 

[lunkerslayer]

This is the way forward for ev development
https://singularityhub.com/2021/08/...s-could-charge-electric-cars-while-you-drive/

 

[Fester]

I thought by now flexible roof solar panels and small wind turbines would have gained traction, It's gotta be close to 20 years ago a guy told me about rolled roofing solar panels that replaced the need for shingles. plug and play that any carpenter could install.

Now days it would be pretty easy to go off the grid if you have a source of firewood. My grandparents did it with kerosene for years then at some point got a 25 volt wind charger . Our area was one of the last to get electricity so they used it for quite a few years. It was dismantled before I came along but I was intrigued with the propeller and the thick glass aquarium that was used for acid and lead plates. No idea it they converted 25 V DC to use it.

I think most of it comes down to cost. When tesla had the solar roof shingles i looked at the cost for doing my roof. The price was if i remember correctly $80,000. Even if it allowef me to go off grid i would never recover or even break even on it. That also didnt include any batteried. It was just the roof. I believe a tesla battery for aroumd the time was like $5k.

 

[Fester]

This is the way forward for ev development
https://singularityhub.com/2021/08/...s-could-charge-electric-cars-while-you-drive/

$1.9 million per mile...yikes!

 

[Davy Crockett]

I think most of it comes down to cost. When tesla had the solar roof shingles i looked at the cost for doing my roof. The price was if i remember correctly $80,000. Even if it allowef me to go off grid i would never recover or even break even on it. That also didnt include any batteried. It was just the roof. I believe a tesla battery for aroumd the time was like $5k.

Yep , they are still to spendy . I was hoping they would be flooding the market by now with fierce competition.

 

[Fester]

Yep , they are still to spendy . I was hoping they would be flooding the market by now with fierce competition.

I thought the same
You would think with the trech an manufacturing the prices would be affordable. It sure doesnt look like it even with the govt tax write offs

 

[lunkerslayer]

$1.9 million per mile...yikes!

The problem is our country doesn't even have a big enough electrical system to even handle this right now, that is where it must start from and the price i presume would go down with user price offset.

 

[NDSportsman]

In North Dakota, EV owners pay an additional annual registration fee of $120 on top of regular registration fees. Plug-in hybrid owners pay an additional $50. There are no state incentives for buying or driving EVs in North Dakota.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• All-electric vehicles: Pay an additional $120 per year on top of standard registration fees.
• Plug-in hybrid electric vehicles: Pay an additional $50 per year on top of standard registration fees.
• Electric motorcycles: Pay an additional $20 per year on top of standard registration fees.

These additional fees are intended to compensate for the lack of fuel tax revenue from EVs, as they do not rely on gasoline

They appear to be getting off with a sweet heart deal.

On average, Americans pay around 51.96 cents in gas taxes per gallon. This includes a 18.4 cent federal tax and an average of 33.56 cents in state gasoline taxes. For a vehicle with an average fuel efficiency of 23.6 mpg, driving 12,000 miles per year, this translates to approximately $264 in gas taxes annually.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Federal Tax: 18.4 cents per gallon.
• Average State Tax: 33.56 cents per gallon.
• Total Average Tax: 51.96 cents per gallon.
• Annual Cost (based on average driving and fuel efficiency): $264.

 

[lunkerslayer]

Now do avg milage for an ev in north dakota