Hurricane Harvey

[AR-15]

Just think of the mess we would have if we got 30in of rain in like 2 days, we have to think of these people in Texas

 

[remm]

Forecast is saying another 15-25" of rain in places for the next few days. What a mess. Trumpster needs to use this unfortunate event to say something smart for once and unite the country. Seems to be a lot of different groups of people out there that can organize and mobilize quickly and dont seem to have anything of importance going on. I think they should be planning marches in south texas for the next year to work together and clean shit up.

I think the govt learned a lot from katrina so i'd hope this will end better for everyone than that did. I'm guessing the attitudes of the texans may differ slighty from some in katrina so that may help. The US will get through this, gonna take a while, but definitely should be a time for differing opinions to be set aside and get to work.

 

[Kurtr]

Crazy part is all the people that stayed and are now putting sars units in danger. If something like that happens up here we get a ten second blurb and the national media moves on.

 

[AR-15]

How do you move millions of people in such a short time ,a lot of people were forced to stay, didn't have a way out, let's hope this doesn't turn into a political mess

 

[Kurtr]

I knew this thing was coming last Monday and I don't even live there. So they knew just choose to ignore the warning. The gov of Texas told them leave or your on your own on Tuesday

 

[3Roosters]

Wonder how long it will take before the racism card is played? How come you saved that neighborhood before our neighborhood? How come you saved those people from roofs before us? ;:;banghead Hats off to all those first responders and volunteers saving and assisting in the response to the flooding.
Sure as hell this will get political real quick! wait..it already has. Trumpster is too fast or too slow to go to area.

 

[Fly Carpin]

I knew this thing was coming last Monday and I don't even live there. So they knew just choose to ignore the warning. The gov of Texas told them leave or your on your own on Tuesday

It isn't free to evacuate. If a person is living on a shoestring budget, filling your car with gas and eating in restaurants until you get somewhere to stay can break a poor family. Not a racial issue. Not a political issue. Also some people were stuck in traffic for 24 hours or more last time a mandatory evacuation was ordered for a hurricane. Some of these areas were completely inundated in less than 8. We can sit up here and armchair it all we want, but this is unprecedented from a logistical point of view. I'll be upping my yearly donation to Red Cross and cheering on our first responders because I'm privileged enough to do so

 

[martinslanding]

I knew this thing was coming last Monday and I don't even live there. So they knew just choose to ignore the warning. The gov of Texas told them leave or your on your own on Tuesday

have you been to Houston? it's a cluster fuck on a dry day...there was no good way to handle this

 

[Rowdie]

It's scary how many people in the USA live check to check with huge debt, mostly CC. Anything that comes up that you need a few extra bucks and they're effed

 

[BDub]

Houston is the 4th largest city in the US. Like most big cities there are lots of people without cars and or money. Evacuation for many is just not an option.

 

[Kurtr]

I guess sitting and waiting out my fate isn't how I would go. 1997 sure as hell didn't sit in the house as it was covered in water. But it is a big city and I am supposed to feel bad for them.........

 

[Rowdie]

I guess I feel bad for them because there's a couple feet of water covering a city, but you can only have so much sympathy for people who have the ability to be prepared, but not the intelligence.

 

[Obi-Wan]

Another democrat mayor of a large city fails his constituents by telling them not to evacuate. Didn't that happen in New Orleans?

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[Fishmission]

Damn tough crowd.
I lived N of there in Spring for work 4 years.
Many of these people have nowhere to go even if they had the means to leave. The sheer size of land and peoples homes this thing has swallowed up is beyond what most have ever seen. Floods suck I know firsthand, but when a big city and metro area of about 3 million get flooded its pure chaos. Prayers to these folks.

 

[Fly Carpin]

Another democrat mayor of a large city fails his constituents by telling them not to evacuate. Didn't that happen in New Orleans?

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Mayor of New Orleans ordered a mandatory evacuation. The problem with evacuating a major metropolis such as New Orleans or Houston, as has been said on here by people with firsthand knowledge, is that many people don't have the means to leave or anywhere to go. I can provide links if necessary

 

[Obi-Wan]

Mayor of New Orleans ordered a mandatory evacuation. The problem with evacuating a major metropolis such as New Orleans or Houston, as has been said on here by people with firsthand knowledge, is that many people don't have the means to leave or anywhere to go. I can provide links if necessary

I stand corrected he ordered the evacuation less than a day before land fall, he failed his constituents

"New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin was also criticized for failing to implement his food plan and for ordering residents to a shelter of last resort without any provisions for food, water, security, or sanitary conditions. Perhaps the most important criticism of Nagin is that he delayed his emergency evacuation order until less than a day before landfall, which led to hundreds of deaths of people who (by that time) could not find any way out of the city.[SUP][2][/SUP] Adding to the criticism was the broadcast of school bus parking lots full of yellow school buses, which Mayor Nagin refused to be used in evacuation. When asked why the buses were not used to assist evacuations instead of holing up in the Superdome, Nagin cited the lack of insurance liability and shortage of bus drivers.[SUP][3]"

New Orleans was already one of the poorest metropolitan areas in the United States in 2005, with the eighth-lowest median income ($30,771). At 24.5 percent, Orleans Parish had the sixth-highest poverty rate among U.S. counties or county equivalents.[SUP][5][/SUP] The 2000 U.S. census revealed that 27% of New Orleans households, amounting to approximately 120,000 people, were without private mobility. Despite these factors preventing many people from being able to evacuate on their own, the mandatory evacuation called on August 28 made no provisions to evacuate homeless, low-income, or sick individuals, nor the city's elderly or infirm residents. Consequently, most of those stranded in the city were the poor, the elderly, and the sick.
It has been stated in the evacuation order that, beginning at noon on August 28 and running for several hours, all city buses were redeployed to shuttle local residents to, "refuges of last resort," designated in advance, including the Louisiana Superdome.[SUP][6][/SUP] They also said that the state had prepositioned enough food and water to supply 15,000 citizens with supplies for three days, the anticipated waiting period before FEMA would arrive in force and provide supplies for those still in the city.[SUP][6][/SUP] Later, it was found that FEMA had provided these supplies, but that FEMA Director Michael D. Brown was greatly surprised by the much larger numbers of people who turned up seeking refuge and that the first wave of supplies were quickly depleted.[SUP][6][/SUP] The large number of deaths were a result of the insufficient response and evacuation before Katrina's arrival, primarily due to city and state resistance to issuing an evacuation order and risking "crying wolf" and losing face should the hurricane have left the path of model prediction. Had contra-flow on highways been initiated sooner and more buses begun evacuating families (including the idle school buses that were not used at all) the numbers of stranded New Orleans occupants would have been significantly less making the initial wave of FEMA supplies adequate and even excessive.
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[Kurtr]

Mayor of New Orleans ordered a mandatory evacuation. The problem with evacuating a major metropolis such as New Orleans or Houston, as has been said on here by people with firsthand knowledge, is that many people don't have the means to leave or anywhere to go. I can provide links if necessary

Who ever decided to leave the old folks there to drown should be criminally charged. Up to there necks in wheel chairs luckily they were saved.

 

[AR-15]

It's easy for us to be sidewalk supervisor's as long as we are on high dry ground in North Dakota, but those people down there have to deal the problem now today, they can't look back on yesterday and say they should have did it this way or that way.

 

[dukgnfsn]

It's easy for us to be sidewalk supervisor's as long as we are on high dry ground in North Dakota, but those people down there have to deal the problem now today, they can't look back on yesterday and say they should have did it this way or that way.

I have to disagree with this statement in the long run, yes in the present they must deal with what's there and take care of the people as best possible in the moment. When things actually get caught up in the future they must look and at end review the situations and reactions to the situation. You had a HURRICANE coming at New Orleans during Katrina and Mayor Nagon could have used school buses to help evacuate people and choose to let the entire city buses become flood victims when by using them to evacuate it would have helped the people and had buses out of the flood zone also. Things like this that can be learned from otherwise the cycle of stupid and repeated mistakes will continue to happen. In the military it is called an AAR After Action Review and was used to hopefully improve your tactics and response the next time you face the same type of challenge. The only way this worked is if upper leadership also listened and heeded lessons learned, if not the same stupid mistakes were made by the lower ranking on the ground because of stupid order from leadership from above. You cannot let a situation like this just pass without finding a way to learn and improve from it dukgnfsn

 

[Bfishn]

I think its pretty easy to say everyone should have evacuated, but considering Houston metro is over 6 million people i don't think it was even remotely possible on short notice. More people would have likely died during the evacuation than what will in the actual hurricane/flood. How many of those cars would have still been sitting in gridlock traffic on the highways that were quickly flooded into rivers?