Measure 1 Yes/No

[Walleye Slayer]

We have the same thing on the Ballot here in South Dakota. Makes me wonder who is pushing this. Its a no vote for me.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

I am against term limits. However, Rep. Todd Porter will be terming out soon. So, there is that!!

 

[gonefshn]

Today I heard a very convincing argument to vote no. The person pointed out that our forefathers didn’t trust our legislators and set this at 50+% rather than 60. Its been that way since 1889. Every time its been tried to be raised it’s been the Legislature trying to change it. Not the people, the Legislature. So, tell me one time where giving elected politicians more power and the people less has turned out best for the people? I couldn’t name one.

 

[Rowdie]

Can the ND state legislature change the ND constitution? If so, what percentage do they need?

 

[Sluggo]

I just don’t see how Measure 1 is a citizen vs legislature issue. Either citizens change the constitution with 50.1% approval or citizens change it with 60%. How do legislators factor in?

 

[labhunter66]

Today I heard a very convincing argument to vote no. The person pointed out that our forefathers didn’t trust our legislators and set this at 50+% rather than 60. Its been that way since 1889. Every time its been tried to be raised it’s been the Legislature trying to change it. Not the people, the Legislature. So, tell me one time where giving elected politicians more power and the people less has turned out best for the people? I couldn’t name one.

Apparently they got 170+ other things wrong since our constitution has been amended that many times already. What makes you think they got 50%+1 right if they had so many other issues?

 

[eyexer]

I just don’t see how Measure 1 is a citizen vs legislature issue. Either citizens change the constitution with 50.1% approval or citizens change it with 60%. How do legislators factor in?

They factor in because “they” want the 60% threshold in place. We should know if they want it, it won’t be best for the citizens

 

[Sluggo]

They factor in because “they” want the 60% threshold in place. We should know if they want it, it won’t be best for the citizens

I’m not sure we can assume that since the legislature voted to put this on the ballot that we can assume they want it. Couldn’t it be that they agree that the people should decide? And what about that sketchy Fairness Project opposing it, how do we factor that in?

 

[Sluggo]

I used the links on this page to see how my local reps voted on the bill to put this measure on the ballot. All 3 voted in favor. I generally agree with their votes so not sure it makes sense to think they are pulling a fast one on this one issue.

https://legiscan.com/ND/bill/HCR3003/2025

 

[Colt45]

Can the ND state legislature change the ND constitution? If so, what percentage do they need?

They cannot, its just that simple

 

[Colt45]

Today I heard a very convincing argument to vote no. The person pointed out that our forefathers didn’t trust our legislators and set this at 50+% rather than 60. Its been that way since 1889. Every time its been tried to be raised it’s been the Legislature trying to change it. Not the people, the Legislature. So, tell me one time where giving elected politicians more power and the people less has turned out best for the people? I couldn’t name one.

We would not be giving the legislature more power, it still comes down to a vote by we the people to change our constitution.
The hatred for our local elected officials is intense, I get it, and for good reasons.

In my opinion, a no vote is a vote for yielding to professional political influencers. To the so called progressives, who are actually socialist. Do we really want to shift to socialism, where everything is free and the government has a solution to all our so called issues.
I vote a hard no on that.

We need to protect our our laws and way of life from outside influencers who want to manipulate it.
By giving elected officials more gatekeeping authority or raising the standard to amend the constitution, the state and we the people are better protected against outside progressive (socialist) groups trying to test experimental or radical policies that do not align with a traditional North Dakotan.

Just my opinion, and again I believe we have good people serving in our state legislature. Not all are good, obviously, but overall I believe most are. If I am wrong, then our state is lost, and the march to socialism will go unchecked.

Times have changed, and we are at a cross roads, just look at Minnesota and the mess those good people have, the voting majority is in Minneapolis and carries the whole state. Our forefathers never envisioned that we would be arguing about a socialist agenda vs a capitalist agenda I suspect, but here we are.

Just my opinion, you can agree or disagree, I don't mean to stir the pot.

 

[Colt45]

I’m not sure we can assume that since the legislature voted to put this on the ballot that we can assume they want it. Couldn’t it be that they agree that the people should decide? And what about that sketchy Fairness Project opposing it, how do we factor that in?

Right on sluggo!

 

[Colt45]

They factor in because “they” want the 60% threshold in place. We should know if they want it, it won’t be best for the citizens

So our all our elected officials are corrupt and out to screw us over? Is that your position?
Not trying to argue or upset you, just trying to understand your position, its all good and I appreciate your input.

 

[NDSportsman]

If you want something changed use a statutory measure. There's very little that needs or should be changed concerning our constitution. It's worked for over a 100 years. Make it harder to change our constitution. Please vote YES ON #1!

 

[Lycanthrope]

the logic behind measure one is flawed. They say the threat is really out of state money influencing voters, fix THAT instead of handing more power to the legislators. Its just a power grab dressed up as something else. Dont fall for the man in the dress with lipstick on, its not the real thing!

 

[Sluggo]

the logic behind measure one is flawed. They say the threat is really out of state money influencing voters, fix THAT instead of handing more power to the legislators. Its just a power grab dressed up as something else. Dont fall for the man in the dress with lipstick on, its not the real thing!

Explain how it gives more power to the legislators please.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Explain how it gives more power to the legislators please.

anything that takes power away from citizens gives power to govt, there are only 2 poles on a magnet.

 

[Sluggo]

anything that takes power away from citizens gives power to govt, there are only 2 poles on a magnet.

I don't see it as any taking any power away. It merely means that a change to the constitution has to have broader support by the citizens than currently. Probably means that an issue needs support from both sides of the political aisle to pass instead of the bare minimum. I see that as a good thing. And keep in mind, we are only talking about changes to the ND constitution.

 

[Rowdie]

Ya that's how I see it

 

[Allen]

There are so many red herrings around here it's starting to smell like a fishing forum.