ND House Bill 1169

[Lycanthrope]

hmm, I always thought open carry was allowed in ND, without a permit... was this changed?

 

[dean nelson]

It's always the laws people think they know but don't that get them in the end. Would assume this new law would make open carry legal pretty much across the board as it should be in the first place. Be pretty fucked up if it's legal to hide your gun but illegal to have it in the open.

 

[deleted_account]

Whats the appeal to want to open carry?

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I dont care one way or the other. Just curious what some think

 

[Lycanthrope]

Id say it would be nice to be able to open carry when out exploring, walking the dog down in river bottoms, etc. Just in case he runs into trouble or you need to defend yourself...

 

[fish-r-man]

Id say it would be nice to be able to open carry when out exploring, walking the dog down in river bottoms, etc. Just in case he runs into trouble or you need to defend yourself...

I always open carry when I'm bow hunting the badlands. I have no desire to be mountain kitty shit.

 

[Bed Wetter]

I always open carry when I'm bow hunting the badlands. I have no desire to be mountain kitty shit.

According to liberals, that mountain lion will only use your gun against you so there's no point in carrying it.

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I didnt know this, when was it changed? So anyone at a cleaning station in the spring with a fillet knife that doesnt possess a CC permit is breaking the law?

As long as your filler knife is not loaded, you should be ok ;-)

 

[Retired Educator]

I have really mixed feelings on this issue. I have a lot of friends and acquaintences that I would trust completely with them walking around with a concealed weapon. At the same time I also know a lot of people I would not trust them having the same privilege. My biggest problem is not knowing how to write a law that differentiates the two groups.

Just because someone has the constitutional right does not make it right. It seems that the states which have adopted this law have no problems, it just concerns me based on some of the people I know who I would not want to be around them when they are armed.

 

[eyexer]

anti gun, inexperienced people aren't going to carry anyway. the number of people carrying won't change much at all. we just won't have to go through the process of getting a permit. And to force training, etc. is "infringement" and unconstitutional.

 

[Joe]

Scenario- wife puts a gun in the glove box of her car. I'm late getting to work, take her car and drive 15mph over the speed limit. Cop pulls me over, asks for the registration and proof of insurance, sees the gun, now what?

Do I:
A. Go to jail until the bci conducts their background check to make sure I am clear of felonies?
B. Since I'm a white boy, and clearly not a meth head, I'm free to go?
C. The cop confiscates the gun, lets me go for the time being, then shows up a week later and arrests me because when I was twenty I got in a little scuffle at the bar, and had a shit attorney who all but forced me to take the first plea deal?

all I'm saying is with the card, it is cut and dry on who can possess a gun in public. Cop pulls you over, you show them them the card, end of discussion.

 

[Bed Wetter]

I have a lot of friends and acquaintences that I would trust completely with them walking around with a concealed weapon. At the same time I also know a lot of people I would not trust them having the same privilege.

But can't the same be said of many other things? "You mean just anyone can walk into a liquor store and buy as much alcohol as they want? I know a few people who I wouldn't trust to do that even though they are 21."

Any idiot with a clean record can get a license to carry, just like any idiot can get a driver's license. What differentitates the two is that one is an inalienable human right while the other is a privilege.

Nothing is stopping those idiots you know from getting a carry license right now other than their own incredible laziness. If they're not motivated to get a license to carry now, they won't be any more or less motivated to carry when the license requirement is removed.

 

[NDSportsman]

Scenario- wife puts a gun in the glove box of her car. I'm late getting to work, take her car and drive 15mph over the speed limit. Cop pulls me over, asks for the registration and proof of insurance, sees the gun, now what?

Do I:
A. Go to jail until the bci conducts their background check to make sure I am clear of felonies?
B. Since I'm a white boy, and clearly not a meth head, I'm free to go?
C. The cop confiscates the gun, lets me go for the time being, then shows up a week later and arrests me because when I was twenty I got in a little scuffle at the bar, and had a shit attorney who all but forced me to take the first plea deal?

all I'm saying is with the card, it is cut and dry on who can possess a gun in public. Cop pulls you over, you show them them the card, end of discussion.

Well:
A. It doesn't take more then a few minutes to check for felonies from a squad car
B. Are you? Are you sure? lol
C. A little scuffle and plea deal isn't going to result in your loss of second amendment rights. Unless you were that stupid in which you are one of those people non of us want having a gun.

It's not as cut and dried as you'd like it to be but why would there be any issues as before? You do realize every time you get a speeding ticket they are checking your record just like they would whether you have a CCW card or not right? That card won't mean shit to them it'll be whatever pops up on their system.

 

[Bed Wetter]

Scenario- wife puts a gun in the glove box of her car. I'm late getting to work, take her car and drive 15mph over the speed limit. Cop pulls me over, asks for the registration and proof of insurance, sees the gun, now what?

Do I:
A. Go to jail until the bci conducts their background check to make sure I am clear of felonies?
B. Since I'm a white boy, and clearly not a meth head, I'm free to go?
C. The cop confiscates the gun, lets me go for the time being, then shows up a week later and arrests me because when I was twenty I got in a little scuffle at the bar, and had a shit attorney who all but forced me to take the first plea deal?

all I'm saying is with the card, it is cut and dry on who can possess a gun in public. Cop pulls you over, you show them them the card, end of discussion.

So what you're saying is that you'd rather be arrested for illegally possessing a firearm right there on the spot instead of waiting a week to be arrested? And I should have to go through a licensing process for this reason? I don't get it...

 

[Joe]

So what you're saying is that you'd rather be arrested for illegally possessing a firearm right there on the spot instead of waiting a week to be arrested? And I should have to go through a licensing process for this reason? I don't get it...

All I'm saying is if a person knows beyond a shadow of doubt that the law prevents them from possessing a gun in public, they'll be extra careful. As it is right now, we have no idea what flags a person, and how in depth they're searching records.

 

[Bed Wetter]

All I'm saying is if a person knows beyond a shadow of doubt that the law prevents them from possessing a gun in public, they'll be extra careful. As it is right now, we have no idea what flags a person, and how in depth they're searching records.

Then perhaps a that person should do like any other reasonable person and figure that stuff out in advance. The scenario you describe is such a narrowly defined example I don't think applying licensing requirements to all citizens of ND holds any water.

I do think you add value to this conversation in playing devil's advocate on the issue. Otherwise this just becomes an echo chamber and no one does any critical thinking.

 

[ND 41 Hunter]

I think anyone who wants to conceal carry should go through a course and show proficiency in handling a firearm. I don't even like the "Class 2" license. For some people, this is the only training or instruction they will ever go through and the knowledge of where a person can carry or when deadly force is justified is invaluable.

 

[labhunter66]

Id say it would be nice to be able to open carry when out exploring, walking the dog down in river bottoms, etc. Just in case he runs into trouble or you need to defend yourself...

Say you are hunting rabbits and you're fine. A firearms is not considered concealed if you are in the field actively engaged in hunting, trapping, or target shooting whether the weapon is visible or not. There's always a season on something that you could be using a pistol for, just make sure you have a license for whatever you say you're hunting for.

 

[You]

I think anyone who wants to conceal carry should go through a course and show proficiency in handling a firearm. I don't even like the "Class 2" license. For some people, this is the only training or instruction they will ever go through and the knowledge of where a person can carry or when deadly force is justified is invaluable.

amendment #2 The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed if the bearer meets a certain level of proficiency deemed acceptable and safe by ND 41 Hunter

wait......it's not written anything like that now is it?!?!

 

[Bed Wetter]

I think anyone who wants to conceal carry should go through a course and show proficiency in handling a firearm. I don't even like the "Class 2" license. For some people, this is the only training or instruction they will ever go through and the knowledge of where a person can carry or when deadly force is justified is invaluable.

Who says you need to carry a concealed weapon to use deadly force? Maybe we should just make it mandatory training for every adult. Or maybe we should just leave it up to individuals to know and understand the law, like we do with every other law on the books. (For the record, our state's weapon laws are fewer than 20 pages total. IRS regulations are more than 70,000 pages. There's no training on paying income taxes...)

Why stop with licensing the carry of weapons? Why not license other activities that require personal responsibility, lest someone get hurt! License to drink alcohol, license to cross busy streets, license to use a charcoal grill... we could license everything! It's sure take care of hat budget shortage the state has...

(Not picking fights, just drawing logical conclusions.)

 

[ND 41 Hunter]

YOU don't need to lecture me on the Second Amendment. I have been a stanch supporter of the NRA for over 35 years. The more people are trained and the more they are informed about the law, the better society and the shooting public it will be. I would love to see hands on gun training and lecture for everyone, but it's surely not going to happen in the liberal school system we have currently. And for Bed Wetter, you're telling me you are concealed carrying and are not thinking about using it to defend yourself or your loved ones?

 

[johnr]

mrs johnr has her concealed carry license, not primarily because she is ever packing heat, but we keep a hand gun in all of our vehicles, boat, etc. And if she uses the vehicles I typically drive and I am packing a pistol under the seat, she will now be legal.

Also she is an in shape, but skinny woman, and would easily be over powered by some aggressive pervert.
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