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<blockquote data-quote="luvcatchingbass" data-source="post: 499207" data-attributes="member: 1979">True but the same can be said about different ammo, when I got into goose hunting I bought the cheapest Winchester BB there was because my buddy told me to and eventually in my second season I patterned it out of my gun and it was horrendous. I've done very minor pattern testing on 410, 20 and 12ga turkey loads through chokes. Plenty of times same choke with different results depending on ammo. Obviously the same has been true on using a &quot;turkey&quot; choke, for example I have a Carlson Long Beard XR choke and the 3&quot; Winchester Long Beard load shoots much different than 3&quot; or 3.5&quot; Winchester Double X ( I think the Double X tends to shoot higher at 25yds if I remember correctly). Then you throw in that some guns barrels can also produce different results. Target Focus Life has done some pretty neat testing on his YouTube over the past few years on patterns of guns, ammo and chokes all separate. So blaming just one part of the system and ignoring the rest including the soft tissue side doesn't make as much sense to me. FYI-I'm a self admitting streaky/bad shotgun shooter. I've gone away from the higher priced upland shells because I learned that I can miss just the same with high end ammo as I do with the cheap'ish ammo and I also seem to hit birds just the same as well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="luvcatchingbass, post: 499207, member: 1979"] True but the same can be said about different ammo, when I got into goose hunting I bought the cheapest Winchester BB there was because my buddy told me to and eventually in my second season I patterned it out of my gun and it was horrendous. I've done very minor pattern testing on 410, 20 and 12ga turkey loads through chokes. Plenty of times same choke with different results depending on ammo. Obviously the same has been true on using a "turkey" choke, for example I have a Carlson Long Beard XR choke and the 3" Winchester Long Beard load shoots much different than 3" or 3.5" Winchester Double X ( I think the Double X tends to shoot higher at 25yds if I remember correctly). Then you throw in that some guns barrels can also produce different results. Target Focus Life has done some pretty neat testing on his YouTube over the past few years on patterns of guns, ammo and chokes all separate. So blaming just one part of the system and ignoring the rest including the soft tissue side doesn't make as much sense to me. FYI-I'm a self admitting streaky/bad shotgun shooter. I've gone away from the higher priced upland shells because I learned that I can miss just the same with high end ammo as I do with the cheap'ish ammo and I also seem to hit birds just the same as well. [/QUOTE]

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