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Looks like they starting to do something about the nr crowding up there. Nr will have to pick a zone to hunt for 7 days and a different one for the other 7 days. With the influx after the first wu flu and all the YouTube videos advertising something needed to be done
 


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Interesting, did not know that change was made. Looks like they can still hunt two zones at the same time but would only be able to hunt seven days then. This seems to be like putting a garden hose to a wildfire though because they can buy as many licenses as they want.
 

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Interesting, did not know that change was made. Looks like they can still hunt two zones at the same time but would only be able to hunt seven days then. This seems to be like putting a garden hose to a wildfire though because they can buy as many licenses as they want.
I think it’s just the start but at least something. You should see the up roar on nd waterfowl Facebook page. Nr saying landowners are shutting down land because of it and other crazy shit like that.
 

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Been many years since I hunted nodak didn't know the major hunter migration was so over whelming,I waterfowl hunt sodak when I draw a non rez tag but with only 3750 statewide non rez tags issued one never knows,rarely see non rez or rez waterfowl hunters,most farmers will let duck/goose hunters on but not for pheasants.
 

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Bout f-ing time we do something..
https://ndwaa.com/
Like and appreciate where these guys' heads are at for the present and future of this state. Just click on the menu button (3 bars) and check out the numbers compared to our neighbors..
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While I understand where this is coming from and geared toward why in the hell are they only picking on waterfowl hunters with this shit. Lets put some more regulations on MIGRATORY game birds, that are in the state for 6-8 weeks, but the hell with the upland game and dont get me started on the fish.

Lets break this down a bit farther. A Non-resident can purchase more that one 14 day upland hunting liscence per year. So in theory Joe Blow the retired doctor from Mn can buy a house in any small town and hunt and kill 3 pheasants, partridge, and sharp-tail grouse everyday from the first day of season to the last. In theory hed be able to kill 1000+ upland birds if he was to eat his daily harvest each day, without having to leave the state.

Lets also apply this math the walleyes as well, the same retired guy can buy a year long liscence and fish daily. So if he was to fish 180 days a year, just enough not to lose his primary residency in Mn, catch keep and eat is daily limit of 5 walleye that'd be 900 walleyes removed from our natural resource.

Now lets take into account how long it'd take for that number of upland game and walleyes to be naturally reproduced. But yet we are adding restrictions to the hunting of a migratory bird thats only in the state for a fraction of a year.

While i'm not much of a waterfowl hunter anymore I have some lifelong friends as well as some newly made friends that have all come from waterfowl hunting. Now these guys yearly trip is fucked as I'm smack dab in the middle of a zone and they can only hunt this zone for half of their purchased liscence. Yes they can go hunt another zone but a major part of their trip is getting to spend evenings together and thats now getting cut short as these guys are here to hunt waterfowl 95% of the time.

While I'm all for protecting North Dakota hunting heritage as the NDWAA page is basing their views on, lets pull our heads out of our asses and protect the resources that are bred, born, and raised inside the borders of this great state. So lets apply this logic to the other outdoor activities in the state instead of just one.


As a follow up to the above I do understand the need/want to help control the influx of waterfowl hunters but not limiting liscences and just making the hunters break up their hunts is not the way to do it in my opinion. The fall influx of hunters is vital to some small town businesses and i completely understand not wanting to restrict it too much as it can hurt these locally owned businesses.

To finish off my rant the proposed changes are, in my opinion, complete dumbass-ery and something else would be way more effective at accomplishing the goals they so badly missed. What that sonething else is, im not sure at this point but somewhere we can surely come up with a better idea.
 

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Also can anyone enlighten me on if this was a game and fish decision or something pushed thru in the last legislative session.

Please and thank you.
 

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While I understand where this is coming from and geared toward why in the hell are they only picking on waterfowl hunters with this shit. Lets put some more regulations on MIGRATORY game birds, that are in the state for 6-8 weeks, but the hell with the upland game and dont get me started on the fish.

Lets break this down a bit farther. A Non-resident can purchase more that one 14 day upland hunting liscence per year. So in theory Joe Blow the retired doctor from Mn can buy a house in any small town and hunt and kill 3 pheasants, partridge, and sharp-tail grouse everyday from the first day of season to the last. In theory hed be able to kill 1000+ upland birds if he was to eat his daily harvest each day, without having to leave the state.

Lets also apply this math the walleyes as well, the same retired guy can buy a year long liscence and fish daily. So if he was to fish 180 days a year, just enough not to lose his primary residency in Mn, catch keep and eat is daily limit of 5 walleye that'd be 900 walleyes removed from our natural resource.

Now lets take into account how long it'd take for that number of upland game and walleyes to be naturally reproduced. But yet we are adding restrictions to the hunting of a migratory bird thats only in the state for a fraction of a year.

While i'm not much of a waterfowl hunter anymore I have some lifelong friends as well as some newly made friends that have all come from waterfowl hunting. Now these guys yearly trip is fucked as I'm smack dab in the middle of a zone and they can only hunt this zone for half of their purchased liscence. Yes they can go hunt another zone but a major part of their trip is getting to spend evenings together and thats now getting cut short as these guys are here to hunt waterfowl 95% of the time.

While I'm all for protecting North Dakota hunting heritage as the NDWAA page is basing their views on, lets pull our heads out of our asses and protect the resources that are bred, born, and raised inside the borders of this great state. So lets apply this logic to the other outdoor activities in the state instead of just one.


As a follow up to the above I do understand the need/want to help control the influx of waterfowl hunters but not limiting liscences and just making the hunters break up their hunts is not the way to do it in my opinion. The fall influx of hunters is vital to some small town businesses and i completely understand not wanting to restrict it too much as it can hurt these locally owned businesses.

To finish off my rant the proposed changes are, in my opinion, complete dumbass-ery and something else would be way more effective at accomplishing the goals they so badly missed. What that sonething else is, im not sure at this point but somewhere we can surely come up with a better idea.
Can they buy multiple waterfowl licenses too and effectively hunt the whole season? I thought they could but maybe not.

The zone thing does kind of stink for guys that hunt (visiting family, etc) near the edge of a zone. I get it, they're trying to spread out pressure. As far as needing a better idea, I think the only one out there is a cap. But that's been beaten to death and I doubt will ever happen (at least not a meaningful one). Like you mention, too much money involved now. Heck, the state is giving grants to guides to open up lodges in the name of economic development.
 

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While I understand where this is coming from and geared toward why in the hell are they only picking on waterfowl hunters with this shit. Lets put some more regulations on MIGRATORY game birds, that are in the state for 6-8 weeks, but the hell with the upland game and dont get me started on the fish.

Lets break this down a bit farther. A Non-resident can purchase more that one 14 day upland hunting liscence per year. So in theory Joe Blow the retired doctor from Mn can buy a house in any small town and hunt and kill 3 pheasants, partridge, and sharp-tail grouse everyday from the first day of season to the last. In theory hed be able to kill 1000+ upland birds if he was to eat his daily harvest each day, without having to leave the state.

Lets also apply this math the walleyes as well, the same retired guy can buy a year long liscence and fish daily. So if he was to fish 180 days a year, just enough not to lose his primary residency in Mn, catch keep and eat is daily limit of 5 walleye that'd be 900 walleyes removed from our natural resource.

Now lets take into account how long it'd take for that number of upland game and walleyes to be naturally reproduced. But yet we are adding restrictions to the hunting of a migratory bird thats only in the state for a fraction of a year.

While i'm not much of a waterfowl hunter anymore I have some lifelong friends as well as some newly made friends that have all come from waterfowl hunting. Now these guys yearly trip is fucked as I'm smack dab in the middle of a zone and they can only hunt this zone for half of their purchased liscence. Yes they can go hunt another zone but a major part of their trip is getting to spend evenings together and thats now getting cut short as these guys are here to hunt waterfowl 95% of the time.

While I'm all for protecting North Dakota hunting heritage as the NDWAA page is basing their views on, lets pull our heads out of our asses and protect the resources that are bred, born, and raised inside the borders of this great state. So lets apply this logic to the other outdoor activities in the state instead of just one.


As a follow up to the above I do understand the need/want to help control the influx of waterfowl hunters but not limiting liscences and just making the hunters break up their hunts is not the way to do it in my opinion. The fall influx of hunters is vital to some small town businesses and i completely understand not wanting to restrict it too much as it can hurt these locally owned businesses.

To finish off my rant the proposed changes are, in my opinion, complete dumbass-ery and something else would be way more effective at accomplishing the goals they so badly missed. What that sonething else is, im not sure at this point but somewhere we can surely come up with a better idea.
Start an organization and put the work in. Some dedicated people who really like waterfowl did the leg work to get this in place.
 

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Can they buy multiple waterfowl licenses too and effectively hunt the whole season? I thought they could but maybe not.

The zone thing does kind of stink for guys that hunt (visiting family, etc) near the edge of a zone. I get it, they're trying to spread out pressure. As far as needing a better idea, I think the only one out there is a cap. But that's been beaten to death and I doubt will ever happen (at least not a meaningful one). Like you mention, too much money involved now. Heck, the state is giving grants to guides to open up lodges in the name of economic development.
No their only allowed 14 days of waterfowl hunting per year. It can be 2 7 day windows or 14 consecutive days but now its gotta be broken up into 2 zones
 


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The stark difference is you’re managing fishing pressure over a year period and upland over a 3 month period. But waterfowl 4-6 weeks. In SD with the limited licenses there is still plenty of places that are really crowded in the peak of the season.

I get the pain, we are eaten alive by NR pheasant hunters. It’s totally ruined the culture in many places.
 

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Non res landowners really getting screwed with this. So much for hunting culture. People with roots in an area, landowner relationshisps over the decades, family, friends. Its just swapping pressure for pressure. Doesnt lessen it at all.

You can't buy another license. 14 days is it and only 7 where you actually prefer to hunt.
 

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No their only allowed 14 days of waterfowl hunting per year. It can be 2 7 day windows or 14 consecutive days but now its gotta be broken up into 2 zones
For the most part most nonresidents only hunt a week. With biggest concentration being teacher conversations weekend. When the kids only miss 3 day of school that week. The number of residents waterfowl hunters is down so low. It's like there are no hunters during the week. Other than nonresidents.
 

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Non res landowners really getting screwed with this. So much for hunting culture. People with roots in an area, landowner relationshisps over the decades, family, friends. Its just swapping pressure for pressure. Doesnt lessen it at all.

You can't buy another license. 14 days is it and only 7 where you actually prefer to hunt.
I would agree that If limiting ND landowners to hunting their own land regardless of zones should be allowed.. However, it would have to only be limited to the landowner - the other "crew members" hunting would have to hunt different zone during the last 7 day period.
 


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I think ND should charge out of staters the exact same fees as they charge us.
 

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I think ND should charge out of staters the exact same fees as they charge us.
Shut your whore mouth... $150 for non rez 10day pheasant/small game license,not sure what non rez mn license is not for upland hunting but the 30k non rez anglers we get every summer. Doesn't effect me but plenty of whining "save our walleyes" in certain area's of mn. As our population keeps exploding our vast praire lands are disappearing across our country at a rapid pace, prairie land turned farmland, farmland turned subdivisions subdivisions turns to towns,towns turned to cities never ending cycle.
 

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I think ND should charge out of staters the exact same fees as they charge us.
Pretty sure we charge about the same or a little more than most states do for upland game/waterfowl.
 

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Shut your whore mouth... $150 for non rez 10day pheasant/small game license,not sure what non rez mn license is not for upland hunting but the 30k non rez anglers we get every summer. Doesn't effect me but plenty of whining "save our walleyes" in certain area's of mn. As our population keeps exploding our vast praire lands are disappearing across our country at a rapid pace, prairie land turned farmland, farmland turned subdivisions subdivisions turns to towns,towns turned to cities never ending cycle.
What's good for the goose
 


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