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<blockquote data-quote="Boondoggle" data-source="post: 246655" data-attributes="member: 6537"><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I'm glad the fiscal note was brought up because I've been waiting to post. Thebill includes a fiscal note that estimates the cost of the proposeddatabase. The estimated cost to build and maintain a database of unknownparticipation appears reasonable to me. </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Here are a few key things I gathered from the fiscal note:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">-$250K to build the database and mapping application.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">-$892 for 6 new FTE to administer landowner agreements and database/mapping application.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">-Add them up and it's $1.142M for 2019-2021 biennium</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">-$892K for the 2021-2023 biennium (without database construction)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">-Average those numbers and it's roughly $500K/year for the first 4 years.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">-The fiscal agreement estimates 3,166 posting agreements, equating to a cost of roughly $160/posting agreement.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">-Assuming 140K licenses and $500K/year budget, that equates to roughly a $3.50 license fee increase. There's no way the legislature will appropriate millions for a hunting database. If license numbers decrease in the future, expect license fees to fund the database would increase.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">*The proposed database grows government by 6 FTE at a time when state government is offering voluntary separation incentives to reduce its size. We don't even know what will be included in the database/mapping application. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">*An opt-in "no hunting" database would be ridiculously expensive and that's why it wasn't proposed. Signs are much cheaper.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">**The most important line of the fiscal note is on page 2, 3B. <u><span style="color: #ff0000">"This does not provide an authentication solution to verify the landowner, lessee, partnership (trust, life estate, LLC/LLP)."</span></u> I'm not an attorney, but that's a significant statement IMO. The State's database/mapping application could be in error. The State would be transferring the burden of verifying legal land ownership on to you and me. At least Plots lands are </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">verified by signs.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The database proposal should be an easy defeat. It's too expensive and it doesn't include a land ownership authentication solution.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Boondoggle, post: 246655, member: 6537"] [FONT=Verdana]I'm glad the fiscal note was brought up because I've been waiting to post. Thebill includes a fiscal note that estimates the cost of the proposeddatabase. The estimated cost to build and maintain a database of unknownparticipation appears reasonable to me. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana] Here are a few key things I gathered from the fiscal note: -$250K to build the database and mapping application. -$892 for 6 new FTE to administer landowner agreements and database/mapping application. -Add them up and it's $1.142M for 2019-2021 biennium -$892K for the 2021-2023 biennium (without database construction) -Average those numbers and it's roughly $500K/year for the first 4 years. -The fiscal agreement estimates 3,166 posting agreements, equating to a cost of roughly $160/posting agreement. -Assuming 140K licenses and $500K/year budget, that equates to roughly a $3.50 license fee increase. There's no way the legislature will appropriate millions for a hunting database. If license numbers decrease in the future, expect license fees to fund the database would increase. *The proposed database grows government by 6 FTE at a time when state government is offering voluntary separation incentives to reduce its size. We don't even know what will be included in the database/mapping application. *An opt-in "no hunting" database would be ridiculously expensive and that's why it wasn't proposed. Signs are much cheaper. **The most important line of the fiscal note is on page 2, 3B. [U][COLOR=#ff0000]"This does not provide an authentication solution to verify the landowner, lessee, partnership (trust, life estate, LLC/LLP)."[/COLOR][/U] I'm not an attorney, but that's a significant statement IMO. The State's database/mapping application could be in error. The State would be transferring the burden of verifying legal land ownership on to you and me. At least Plots lands are [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]verified by signs. The database proposal should be an easy defeat. It's too expensive and it doesn't include a land ownership authentication solution. [/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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