on the cheap thread...

[raider]

so i'm looking at anchoring systems for my toon, and trying to figure out if a talon would work... maybe 2 would, but holly crap, that would cost a fortune...

after googling a bunch of different stuff i ran across a vid from a cat fisherman bout diy shallow water anchors and thought i'd share...

also thought, sure wish there was a thread for cheap people like myself that are not afraid try to make things on my own to save a buck...

so here it is... anyone interested in a diy shallow water anchoring system can find ideas and components at the link below, and if you have products or ideas like this, please share...

thanks...

https://www.mgs4u.com/shallow-water-boat-anchors.htm

 

[Wild and Free]

Trying to anchor a toon is a lot different than a boat, takes a lot better holding system to keep a toon in place in the wind and current, I have spent a small fortune on different anchors over the years and fianlly found one that holds me tight as can be in both wind and current together.

I have the small box anchor and just one holds my 24 foot triple tube in place on the missouri river.
Buddy of mine copied mine and made one of his own but his is not foldable.
http://slideanchor.com/store/index.php/the-box-anchor.html

 

[raider]

ya, i've got 2 diggers that do well, but have been looking at the minn kota winch that goes on the trolling motor puck, but then you have no trolling motor, or it's in the way...

2 of the 1" rods would do fine i think for slip bobbering most mornings or evenings if in the right place...

 

[Retired Educator]

I didn't add up the cost of all the parts but a quick glance I was wondering where "on the cheap" came into play.

 

[raider]

a 12' minn kota talon is $2000...

a 12' diy kit is $156...

 

[Captain Ahab]

a 12' minn kota talon is $2000...

a 12' diy kit is $156...

The disparity is very similar to prostitution.

 

[Retired Educator]

Therein likes the problem. I've never looked at or priced the Talon. Now that I know, that is a serious anchor system.

 

[guywhofishes]

That Box Anchor is awesome.

hand stabbing the manual anchors is going to suck. I have both types - manual and Talon. You'll need 16' of rod minimum to anchor in same depth of water as a 12' Talon. Unless your buddy holds your head two feet under while you push it in. Plus - the Talon attempts to hold its rod vertical - a necessary feature for staying anchored.

The rope loops on manuals only pull at the very top of the flexy rod - so as your boat drifts it will start pulling UP just as much as LATERALLY... pulling the rod out quickly (losing anchor hold).

i predict you will be pissed and disappointed with hand stabbing.

me? I'd sell my Terrova before I sold my Talon.

 

[eyexer]

my kid has the talon I think. It works great on his boat. but he uses it more with the drift paddle that he bought. It controls your drift better/in combination with the sock.

 

[raider]

That Box Anchor is awesome.

hand stabbing the manual anchors is going to suck. I have both types - manual and Talon. You'll need 16' of rod minimum to anchor in same depth of water as a 12' Talon. Unless your buddy holds your head two feet under while you push it in. Plus - the Talon attempts to hold its rod vertical - a necessary feature for staying anchored.

The rope loops on manuals only pull at the very top of the flexy rod - so as your boat drifts it will start pulling UP just as much as LATERALLY... pulling the rod out quickly (losing anchor hold).

i predict you will be pissed and disappointed with hand stabbing.

me? I'd sell my Terrova before I sold my Talon.

was hoping you'd chime in guy... couple questions if you don't mind...

how hard is the bottom to stab or drive a pole into in these northern lakes (thinking devils mainly) in the shallows???

i'm thinking bout going with the minn kota deckhand for the front of a 22' toon and a manual pole in the back to cut the swing... would build a mount with at least a 1' tight fitting tube to reduce the "slop"... do you think you could drive the manual spike deep enough to control the swing with a good initial anchor set???

last thing... i'm pretty new at the slip bobbering thing, and usually try to anchor and fish deeper (12-15 fow), and cast in to the shallows if need be... what depth do you usually anchor in to to fish, and to make the talon work???

thanks for any info you would share...

 

[Riverbottoms]

That Box Anchor is awesome.

hand stabbing the manual anchors is going to suck. I have both types - manual and Talon. You'll need 16' of rod minimum to anchor in same depth of water as a 12' Talon. Unless your buddy holds your head two feet under while you push it in. Plus - the Talon attempts to hold its rod vertical - a necessary feature for staying anchored.

The rope loops on manuals only pull at the very top of the flexy rod - so as your boat drifts it will start pulling UP just as much as LATERALLY... pulling the rod out quickly (losing anchor hold).

i predict you will be pissed and disappointed with hand stabbing.

me? I'd sell my Terrova before I sold my Talon.

When I bought my boat it had a 12' talon mounted, anchored on the Missouri river in the main current and it held me in place. I have a 1975 lund prov so a pretty heavy boat.

 

[guywhofishes]

was hoping you'd chime in guy... couple questions if you don't mind...

how hard is the bottom to stab or drive a pole into in these northern lakes (thinking devils mainly) in the shallows???
anywhere from baby poop that barely holds your boat in a breeze unless the pole is in real deep to "it ain't going in by hand you weakling" and the pole makes horrible scraping noises and you notice you're drifting right away. You know lake sediment geology in ND - it spans the extremes.

nice thing about Talon is that in hard stuff you can use rough water mode and it'll occasionally give it some more push - downside is that on occasion it slowly drives it in too deep over time and you have to use a combination of motoring directly over the hole and hitting up button a dozen times to slowly and gently remove the pole (use motion and the buoyancy of the boat). Hitting a button a dozen times really sucks but what are you going to do? Hee hee.

i'm thinking bout going with the minn kota deckhand for the front of a 22' toon and a manual pole in the back to cut the swing... would build a mount with at least a 1' tight fitting tube to reduce the "slop"... do you think you could drive the manual spike deep enough to control the swing with a good initial anchor set???

I suppose it would for most walleye spots except cobble/gravel. Best would be two permanent "loops" of aluminum or steel at two different heights above water to vertically stabilize the rod - if you know what I mean? Or a PVC or aluminum pipe of some sort you slip it through on the way down. This also allows you to leave it "in place" with a rubber stopper (the pole just sits cradled in the pipe 10' sticking in the air until you need it again)

I stick my talon and then use the trolling motor ipilot on 1 to 3 power (lowest needed) to keep the bow pointed in any direction I want (boat is under slight tension at that point - ha ha) - works great to keep boat pointed in perfect position for casting/fighting fish

And in a heavy wind you can point the bow so that your transom is 45 degrees into the wind - splits waves and nearly eliminates splashing over the transom - incredibly effective in 20 mph winds (slip bobbering or pitching a windy point or some such)

last thing... i'm pretty new at the slip bobbering thing, and usually try to anchor and fish deeper (12-15 fow), and cast in to the shallows if need be... what depth do you usually anchor in to to fish, and to make the talon work???

10-11 ft is about as deep as it will hold in any wind - if I'm fishing a windy shore I'll just deploy the Talon out in deep water and let the wind/Talon decide the deepest I can set up (eventually stops drifting into shore - I might help slow the drift with the outboard in reverse a bit as I slide in towatd shore). I am sort of a 10' deep and shallower "specialist" (only because I'm HOPELESS in deep water) so the Talon suits my needs for 90% of my fishing

thanks for any info you would share...

I've only been burned once by getting fish wrapped around the Talon during a big battle - most times it's never an issue or I can hit the up button and use the motor to get away from shore ASAP. Lost maybe the biggest LM of my life when he wrapped around the Talon and I didn't get my ducks in a row quick enough (no power to horse him - he bit a panfish lure on light tackle)

 

[raider]

great stuff, thanks guy!!!

 

[johnr]

Pitching jigs from shore would seem to work too, now that's on the cheap.

 

[guywhofishes]

Pitching jigs from shore would seem to work too, now that's on the cheap.

not with a cattail bank it don't

 

[JayKay]

not with a cattail bank it don't

It does, if'n you was wearin' waders.

 

[johnr]

its tough to wear waders while stoned on a skate board...haha, and eating some spicy Italian sausage.

 

[guywhofishes]

me being interviewed about pitching from shore



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pitted - so pitted - like that

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It does, if'n you was wearin' waders.

ha ha ha - sandy river wader dude talking smack! :;:rockit

many good cattail fishing spots involve 20 mph winds, good chop or even waves coming in - combined with soft crappy slough bottoms - recipe for filled waders - or worse