Outfitters vs hunters again

[Jiffy]

You haven’t been around long enough

 

[bravo]

You are not for landowner rights. Being opposed to 2137 is a dead giveaway. Why do you want to tell others what they can’t do on their own land?…… Is it possible fritz opposes conservationists or legislation in disguise as conservation? The same conversationists who want to set rules and infringe on private property owners? Not all conservation is the same. Some very wolf in sheep’s clothing people out there….im fortunate enough to be able to enjoy a section of land the landowner lets only relatives hunt. Very very rare for a free lancer to gain permission. Is that landowner anti free lancer because he wants his family to enjoy the land and not some strangers? Something stinks with you bravo. Something’s off. Youre not what you say you are or you’re trying to shift perception somehow.

I’m not opposed to 2137 other than I think there’s got to be a better way to go about it. The fact that there’s a sunset eased my stance, so we can see if there’s a tangible difference in restrictions. Obviously there’s a difference between real conservation and green new deal BS. Putting it all in the same box is just disingenuous. And show me where the hell I ever once said I want to control what others do on their land?!? I’ve got 200 acres of my own and plenty more in the family. Please wise one tell me what I am.

Later.

 

[Trip McNeely]

I’m not opposed to 2137 other than I think there’s got to be a better way to go about it. The fact that there’s a sunset eased my stance, so we can see if there’s a tangible difference in restrictions. Obviously there’s a difference between real conservation and green new deal BS. Putting it all in the same box is just disingenuous. And show me where the hell I ever once said I want to control what others do on their land?!? I’ve got 200 acres of my own and plenty more in the family. Please wise one tell me what I am.

Later.

Restrictions on private property with zero evidence to support the claims as well as more than ample evidence to suggest baiting bans dont work and arent even close to practical are a good way to go about it?any restriction based on absolutely nothing is an abomination……So if the government deems large wooden spoons a threat and provides zero data backing up the claim you are ok with them banning large wooden spoons. because it’s “ part of their toolbox” ……. If you can’t see the government overreach in the issue you’re stuck in the mud. The fact you support a baiting ban in the first place is exactly telling others what they should or shouldn’t do on their own land. Thats you saying you don’t like baiting so others cant do it. It’s exactly what it is. Im not sure what you are but you aren’t a typical landowner….. something is off. Youre sympathetic view towards government has me leaning towards either an inside mole here or you have immediate family involved in some form of government that gives you such a sympathetic view.

 

[Trip McNeely]

You haven’t been around long enough

Maybe you’ve been around too long?

 

[Jiffy]

I agree...maybe I have.

Later dudes!

 

[bravo]

You’ve got two problems trip. You assume a lot and almost none of it is correct. I’ve shot a lot of deer over bait. You use a lot of hyperbole and think you’ve made a compelling argument. And you’re a bit paranoid. The only tie I have to the government is Uncle Sam pays me to wear camo a few days a month.

Yeah I may be a different type of landowner. I don’t think everything is mine. I have some empathy for the average Joe and their kids and want them to have some opportunities. The ones who don’t have the time or money to have a great hunt every time they go out. That’s how I grew up. Not everything has to be so black and white. There’s regs I don’t love but legislation isn’t the best path, that’s my stance. Go back and read as many posts of mine on here as you want. I’m pretty staunch on landowners being able to do as they please on their own property.

You post a lot on here about the government taking your money and how you’ve had enough. Do some digging on the generous landowner you’re defending. See how much you’ve paid towards his high fences in subsidies and ppp loans. Read up on the farm bureaus website in their “we believe” section and see how friendly they are towards guys like us. Or just keep being mad at me, I don’t care.

 

[Trip McNeely]

No one’s mad…. And no not paranoid. Im 37-0 i
On conspiracy theory’s and I’ll be right on CWD too. I just can’t wrap my head around how anyone would be for restrictions from the government based on nothing and furthermore once proof against said restrictions comes out they are still wishy washy…or because someone has ppp or subsidies then government overreach is cool beans. If you want something fucked up get the government involved. this cwd debacle is no different. We can go back and forth on subsidies or who gets what. Im not a fan either. Im not arguing who’s good or who’s evil. The only reason I stand against the game and fish on this issue is because of the assinine overreach….And yes Im very adamant on government overreach on any level. And when it comes to government taking my money, im a producer. Im a middle class schlub that doesn’t get shit from Uncle Sam. I put a lot more into the pot than I get back so I suppose a sour taste for any government intrusion has developed over the years…..But if we’re going to discredit anyone who’s taken ppp or subsidies in some form or not stand for their freedom and rights then I guess probably over half the state shouldn’t be able to have a say then . I know plenty of people that got ppp or get farm subsidies. Like or hate it youd have to be clinically retarded not to take them. If I were in the same position I probably would as well. If we don’t legislate against unelected government overreach than what’s stopping them from continuing the overreach? Wouldn’t letting them continue embolden them more?

 

[Catfishermen4201]

Hell you guys talking about - more things that cannot be changed. Shit, I stopped with that license bullshit like 10 years ago and have had no issues.
Just tonight on my way home from the Dr to continue my disability claim I got my 3 limit of roosters on the right a way with my .22, well 1 was in the ditch but it was close enough.
Got a few miles up the road and saw a really nice big deer, didn't have antlers though so I just stopped and got that sucker out the window - was only around 40yds with my .243(best gun in the world for shooting deer). Then a few miles down the road I had another problem, these goddamn cows were out and on the road - well no one was around so I plugged the biggest in the head, drove down in the ditch and back up towards the road with my tailgate down and winched that fucker in.

Same goes with fishing, had a problem years back that I caught the so called limit way too quick so I improvised and brought them home and went out 6 more times that day - catch them when the gettins good. Now a days the lake is super close to my house so I venture out a few times a day...thank god electric fillet knives have been invented, saves on the wrists and fingers.

Everyday from work I usually get all kinds of wild game, it has been awesome...just make sure to have at least 3 guns...never know what you may see.

You guys just seem a bit too touchy when it comes to rules...what rules - they are just suggestions. Word for the wise - don't take life too seriously because we all die and nobody really cares.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

You post a lot on here about the government taking your money and how you’ve had enough. Do some digging on the generous landowner you’re defending. See how much you’ve paid towards his high fences in subsidies and ppp loans. Read up on the farm bureaus website in their “we believe” section and see how friendly they are towards guys like us. Or just keep being mad at me, I don’t care.

You're such a hater today bravo. There is no such thing as a subsidy for an eight-foot-high woven wire fence. Reaching.

Yes, I took a ppp. The government gave those out to people trying to make payroll during covid. Your buddy Brock posted that on hunttalk. Very petty.

When slaughter facilities shut down during covid, the whole meat industry backed up. I wasn't immune with animals ready for slaughter, and they couldn't go to market. Live on the hoof animal prices tanked. I guess I could have ate every one of the fuckers with a loaf of bread.

I am a very generous landowner. Please shoot the deer, the antelope, coyotes whatever. Just not the birds. I like wing shooting. 18 bull elk have been harvested here in the last 12 years. Have a walk in cooler and walk in freezer people are welcome to use my butcher house. And they do.

However, drive in with a wildlife federation, DU, PF, BHA sticker on your pickup, don't expect a warm reception. They cannot lobby against Agriculture forty weeks out of the year and then expect to hunt the other twelve.

 

[Pigsticker]

You're such a hater today bravo.

Only today?

 

[bravo]

Nah, I don’t hate you Fritz. I just disagree with you. You want to farm, ranch, guide on your land, have at it. Just don’t run to the bureau or your senator if your neighbor wants to work with Delta and restore habitat on their own property. Being pro-conservation (real habitat and wildlife conservation, not tree hugger fluff) is not anti-agriculture. Being pro-public land is not anti-agriculture. Again, good on you for letting people take animals off your land. But, you call others petty for bringing up something personal, yet you have no problem doing the same. You call others out for having a government job or grants for conservation, yet you accept government money and it’s ok.

Back to the original topic. Do you support landowners being the ones who allocate tags rather than a public drawing?

 

[Rowdie]

Hell you guys talking about - more things that cannot be changed. Shit, I stopped with that license bullshit like 10 years ago and have had no issues.
Just tonight on my way home from the Dr to continue my disability claim I got my 3 limit of roosters on the right a way with my .22, well 1 was in the ditch but it was close enough.
Got a few miles up the road and saw a really nice big deer, didn't have antlers though so I just stopped and got that sucker out the window - was only around 40yds with my .243(best gun in the world for shooting deer). Then a few miles down the road I had another problem, these goddamn cows were out and on the road - well no one was around so I plugged the biggest in the head, drove down in the ditch and back up towards the road with my tailgate down and winched that fucker in.

Same goes with fishing, had a problem years back that I caught the so called limit way too quick so I improvised and brought them home and went out 6 more times that day - catch them when the gettins good. Now a days the lake is super close to my house so I venture out a few times a day...thank god electric fillet knives have been invented, saves on the wrists and fingers.

Everyday from work I usually get all kinds of wild game, it has been awesome...just make sure to have at least 3 guns...never know what you may see.

You guys just seem a bit too touchy when it comes to rules...what rules - they are just suggestions. Word for the wise - don't take life too seriously because we all die and nobody really cares.

You don't need to go in and then go back out fishing, just stuff that livewell until it won't hold anymore.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Back to the original topic. Do you support landowners being the ones who allocate tags rather than a public drawing?

Can't be sure, but I think there was a tradeoff made years ago where landowners were given tags instead of cash for the public's animals eating forage on their land.

Within reason farmers and ranchers tolerate the public's wildlife and going into farming a landowner knows up front there will be a certain amount of pressure. However, a landowner's tolerance goes down if there gets to be a lot more animals than what is reasonable.

Had a moose in my yard one day. Neighbors came over to see it. Special. Now if 300 moose were in my yard......not so special.

In Montana, led by the wildlife federation, the struggle is to put all tags into a public drawing. Works out better for the general public competing for those tags. Zero incentive for the landowner.

I think this legislation is a push back.

 

[Wall-eyes]

Damn some of you guys on here need to get more hobbies, Sounds like goverment talk web site.

 

[SDMF]

In Montana, led by the wildlife federation, the struggle is to put all tags into a public drawing. Works out better for the general public competing for those tags. Zero incentive for the landowner.

There must be some incentive. Every year I draw a tag I see the same ranches with several hundred elk lazing about on the valley floor alfalfa and/or private grazing pastures. I've also seen on occasion a small airplane and/or ranch-hands on horses, ATV's, in UTV's and pickups hazing the elk to keep them on private ground. I also know that land isn't owned by folks opposed to all hunting as the elk get shot there in extremely low numbers compared to the size of the herd. I've also watched as just the very little hunting activity that happens on the valley floor will have an entire herd of several hundred headed elsewhere until the hazers get them turned around.

As things stand right now, there must be some incentive otherwise why such limited access and all the manpower/equipment to discourage elk from spreading out to public ground and other ranches?