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[Fritz the Cat]

Brock, do you support this genetic manipulation?

 

[guywhofishes]

These conversations make me thing of this quote, and I’m not sure who said it.

“It’s easy to make everything a conspiracy theory when you don’t understand how anything works.”

So fitting….

You have Fweedom Syndrome.

It has to be such a burden being smarter than everyone else.

I’m sorry this is happening to you.

 

[BrockW]

Brock, do you support this genetic manipulation?

You mean genetically engineering PrP knockout animals and releasing them into the wild? Or creating them for study purposes? What’s the context of your question? Could you be more specific?

 

[BrockW]

You have Fweedom Syndrome.

It has to be such a burden being smarter than everyone else.

I’m sorry this is happening to you.

Not at all. I’m just not letting emotions dictate what I believe or what I accept to be fact.

Unfortunately, none of these guys can present any evidence. Only speculation, twisted words, and misinformed opinions that lack any basis in fact.

I am relying on what can be proven, what has been demonstrated, and what is repeatable.

Edit: In other words, I don’t think any of you are not “smart enough” to understand this science or the facts. I think it’s purely cognitive bias that is preventing that understanding or that acceptance. Cognitive bias or emotional reasoning that has distorted that perception because of a loss of baiting. And hey, I get it. I don’t judge any of you for it and it’s not a mystery to any of us as to why this is a difficult conversation for you guys. We do think the conspiracy theories have gone a bit far…. But.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Tonsil biopsy

Rectal biopsy

 

[BrockW]

Some additional info….

Antemortem testing for cwd was first described back in 2002, using tonsilar biopsies and IHC (as that was the state of the art test at that point in time)
https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/content/journal/jgv/10.1099/0022-1317-83-10-2629

Near as I can tell, the first use of rectal mucosa for antemortem testing was published back in 2007.
https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/content/journal/jgv/10.1099/vir.0.82342-0

And used shortly thereafter in the captive elk industry.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/104063870902100103

Amplification assays (tests), including PMCA and RT-QuIC have been under development for more than a decade and are described well here:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0216621

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0817/6/3/35

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2681868/

 

[wct12]

These conversations make me thing of this quote, and I’m not sure who said it.

“It’s easy to make everything a conspiracy theory when you don’t understand how anything works.”

So fitting….

“Don't allow someone who talks to you in a snobby, condescending, rude manner get to you or intimidate you. That is a sign of an insecure person trying to appear superior to you. Arrogance and condescension is always a sign of weakness.”

So fitting..

I haven’t saw your picture from the collar study where they said that deer that got attacked by coyotes or another animal died from CWD lately Brock. Just ones you want to pick.. also didn’t hear much back from you on the you got COVID but believed in natural immunity so you didn’t get the jab deal (I did apologize for assuming you did).

Also “sound science leaves little to doubt”. The fact there’s almost as many holes in the science departments use as there is in a CWD positive deers brain makes a lot of people doubt that it’s sound science. Or maybe that’s a conspiracy

 

[BrockW]

“Don't allow someone who talks to you in a snobby, condescending, rude manner get to you or intimidate you. That is a sign of an insecure person trying to appear superior to you. Arrogance and condescension is always a sign of weakness.”

So fitting..

This has been another sort of confusing thing for us. I think 90% of the time I’m not being snobby or condescending. Sure sometimes I laugh or make a smart ass comment, but I mean…given the arguments you and others have presented I don’t think that’s unreasonable. I try to remain light hearted about it…even when some of you are “hoping I perish” or “that were anti-hunting” or that were “lying”, or getting paid for this or the dozens of other accusations you guys like to make on FB.

And considering what you guys post on our social media posts and on here, both in regards to me and my chapter. It seems kind of hypocritical and snowflakey of you guys to get all sensitive about me getting a little condescending with you sometimes.

I mean simply stating or repeating the facts that we know to be true. Providing evidence, counter points, data, to refute misinformation and disinformation hardly seems insulting. But for some of you, there is this attitude amongst your side that thinks anyone who disagrees with you guys is personally attacking you.

This is something you guys should take a lesson in. Instead you’re playing victim because someone was condescending? Yet you guys are the ones doing all the attacking. And I haven’t whined or complained about it once…

 

[riverview]

This has been another sort of confusing thing for us. I think 90% of the time I’m not being snobby or condescending. Sure sometimes I laugh or make a smart ass comment, but I mean…given the arguments you and others have presented I don’t think that’s unreasonable. I try to remain light hearted about it…even when some of you are “hoping I perish” or “that were anti-hunting” or that were “lying”, or getting paid for this or the dozens of other accusations you guys like to make on FB.

And considering what you guys post on our social media posts and on here, both in regards to me and my chapter. It seems kind of hypocritical and snowflakey of you guys to get all sensitive about me getting a little condescending with you sometimes.

I mean simply stating or repeating the facts that we know to be true. Providing evidence, counter points, data, to refute misinformation and disinformation hardly seems insulting. But for some of you, there is this attitude amongst your side that thinks anyone who disagrees with you guys is personally attacking you.

This is something you guys should take a lesson in. Instead you’re playing victim because someone was condescending? Yet you guys are the ones doing all the attacking. And I haven’t whined or complained about it once…

Who is we and us??

 

[KDM]

Awesome BrockW. You can't even admit that there are NO APPROVED CWD TESTS for use on living animals. It's a FACT!! You CAN'T TRUST the live cwd test because NONE of them are accurate enough to be used in scientific liturature. It must be over 90% accurate to be considered. The IHC test is approved for testing DEAD ANIMALS. IHC is NOT APPROVED for testing on live animals. You conveniently forgot that little detail didn't you BrockW. You say it "CAN" be used to test live animals, but here's the thing, it's NOT ACCEPTABLE. Why? It's not accurate enough.

Pay attention to the words BrockW uses and doesn't use guys. He's speaking in half truths and intentionally leaving out information. I've just proven it to you guys with his own words. Don't trust anything this guy says as even close to facts.

THERE IS NO APPROVED TEST FOR CWD ON LIVE ANIMALS!! What's nonsense is stating in any way that there is.

This is a great BrockW paragraph I'd like everyone to reexamine:

If we were talking about these studies using live tests on a single animals, I would agree that’s weak evidence. But considering we’re talking thousands of animals on multiple studies, performed by multiple different research groups, in multiple regions of the country, using testing procedures with a high degree of confidence (that we can prove), this idea none of it scientifically sound is willfully denying the facts that are staring us right in the face.

Sounds good doesn't it guys. However, we must keep in mind that all of this gobbledy gook was done with tests that aren't accurate enough to be approved for use. Testing thousands of animals with inaccurate tests means that everything collected has the same inaccuracy.

PLEASE keep it up BrockW. I do so love exposing you and your half truths.

 

[BrockW]

Awesome BrockW. You can't even admit that there are NO APPROVED CWD TESTS for use on living animals. It's a FACT!! You CAN'T TRUST the live cwd test because NONE of them are accurate enough to be used in scientific liturature. It must be over 90% accurate to be considered. The IHC test is approved for testing DEAD ANIMALS. IHC is NOT APPROVED for testing on live animals. You conveniently forgot that little detail didn't you BrockW. You say it "CAN" be used to test live animals, but here's the thing, it's NOT ACCEPTABLE. Why? It's not accurate enough.

Pay attention to the words BrockW uses and doesn't use guys. He's speaking in half truths and intentionally leaving out information. I've just proven it to you guys with his own words. Don't trust anything this guy says as even close to facts.

THERE IS NO APPROVED TEST FOR CWD ON LIVE ANIMALS!! What's nonsense is stating in any way that there is.

This is a great BrockW paragraph I'd like everyone to reexamine:

If we were talking about these studies using live tests on a single animals, I would agree that’s weak evidence. But considering we’re talking thousands of animals on multiple studies, performed by multiple different research groups, in multiple regions of the country, using testing procedures with a high degree of confidence (that we can prove), this idea none of it scientifically sound is willfully denying the facts that are staring us right in the face.

Sounds good doesn't it guys. However, we must keep in mind that all of this gobbledy gook was done with tests that aren't accurate enough to be approved for use. Testing thousands of animals with inaccurate tests means that everything collected has the same inaccuracy.

PLEASE keep it up BrockW. I do so love exposing you and your half truths.

IHC is well above 90% accuracy. Not sure why you think it’s not.

Again, IHC is approved. Simply repeating it’s not approved, does not make it true.

Straight from the USDA…

 

[KDM]

Is repeating the truth bothersome to you? That whole "Live Animal" thing is a stickler, isn't it? Please answer the question BrockW. Is IHC an approved test for CWD in live animals? Seems to be a simple enough question to me guys, but oh so difficult for BrockW to answer. Even though it's extremely easy for anyone to use google to find the truth.

Pay very close attention to the response fellas.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Some additional info….

Antemortem testing for cwd was first described back in 2002, using tonsilar biopsies and IHC (as that was the state of the art test at that point in time)
https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/content/journal/jgv/10.1099/0022-1317-83-10-2629

Near as I can tell, the first use of rectal mucosa for antemortem testing was published back in 2007.
https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/content/journal/jgv/10.1099/vir.0.82342-0

And used shortly thereafter in the captive elk industry.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/104063870902100103

Amplification assays (tests), including PMCA and RT-QuIC have been under development for more than a decade and are described well here:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0216621

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0817/6/3/35

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2681868/

Reading all these articles, there is one common denominator. A controlled environment on a farmed elk or deer farm. The DNA genome's part is built off of the sheep scrapie's program. Looking for individuals with high condon markers. Breeding with those and slaughtering animals with lower codon. In essence trying to breed the way out.

To date there are no animals found to be immune.

Brock, do you support this genetic manipulation?

 

[Fester]

Why do you guys give Brock the time of day? Number one he wants your money..no different then the telemarketer calling you. Number two look up Narcissistic Personality Disorder...tell me this isnt fitting. It isnt worth the conversation(or lack there of) to have with this guy.

 

[KDM]

Hey BrockW. This is also direct from the USDA National Veterinary Accreditation Program dated March 20, 2024:

I will highlight the interesting part.

Testing​

Currently, definitive diagnosis is based on IHC testing of the obex area of the brain stem or the medial retropharyngeal lymph nodes. Gross lesions seen at necropsy reflect the clinical signs of CWD, primarily emaciation and sometimes aspiration pneumonia, which may be the primary (acute?) cause of death. On microscopic examination, lesions of CWD in the central nervous system resemble those of other spongiform encephalopathies. At this time, abnormal prion proteins can be detected using immunohistochemistry (IHC), Western blotting, enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA), prion misfolding cyclic amplification (PMCA), and real-time quaking induced conversion (RT-QuIC), however, approved diagnostic assays are limited to IHC and ELISA. Research is being conducted to develop live-animal diagnostic tests for CWD. The rectal biopsy test, while not yet approved for routine regulatory testing, appears promising but may have limited applicability due the number of positive animals in the early stages of the disease that may not be detected.

So which is it? Yes they have approved live animal diagnostic tests or No, they don't have live animal tests?

 

[KDM]

Why do you guys give Brock the time of day? Number one he wants your money..no different then the telemarketer calling you. Number two look up Narcissistic Personality Disorder...tell me this isnt fitting. It isnt worth the conversation(or lack there of) to have with this guy.

I think I'm about there. This guy is a political activist and lobbyist. He talks just like a used car salesman trying to sell you a flood car. I think anyone that cares recognizes his kind and what he is as well and recognizes the sham this whole cwd terror campaign is. It was fun though. On to better things.

 

[Fester]

I think I'm about there. This guy is a political activist and lobbyist. He talks just like a used car salesman trying to sell you a flood car. I think anyone that cares recognizes his kind and what he is as well and recognizes the sham this whole cwd terror campaign is. It was fun though. On to better things.

100% agree KDM. I was there long long time ago.

 

[riverview]

my guess is he or they go to these meetings stating the have 14 pages from nda and most agree with him. Obviously, he doesn't mind bending the truth (LYING) to meet his agenda. his living probably comes from grants for cwd.

 

[Trip McNeely]

It’s not worth the time with him. It’s clear he’s got an agenda and fortunately for sportsman that agenda has been exposed to those who make decisions. Believe me…. What the overall consensus is here about him is also carried over to people more powerful than most of us. The last session a lot of people were new to the narrative or didnt have the information they do now. The only reason it benefits keeping this trained monkey performing here is the more eyes see how this narcissist operates the stronger the push against this bogus cwd narrative…… Lawmakers are seeing through the narrative now. I told you Brock you need to focus your time and effort on your other bills that actually focus on helping sportsman in ND….. drop your cwd bullshit already and go away…on second thought keep talking…...every time you talk another person wakes up to the cwd narrative…..

 

[Trip McNeely]

my guess is he or they go to these meetings stating the have 14 pages from nda and most agree with him. Obviously, he doesn't mind bending the truth (LYING) to meet his agenda. his living probably comes from grants for cwd.

Should we mention the “affiliate sportsman groups” that were lumped into the opposition’s testimony?……. Wonder how many members of some of these small town clubs know they are being used to push this narrative?