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Message: <blockquote data-quote="deleted user" data-source="post: 391374" data-attributes="member: 1778">Well, the deer can't get in or out. They are in a preserve that provides food, water, shelter, and protection. Predators are voraciously controlled so there is little stress. Only certain animals of a certain size are allowed to be harvested. Even if they catch CWD, they'll live to be 4 years old and be big enough through selective breeding for large antlers. They are oftentimes as "wild" as Fritz's elk, so not indicative of how any population of wild animals can be managed. Lunk we can complain until we're blue in the face that deer hunting has gotten harder, but until there is a way to put more trees and grass on the landscape, nature is going to take the population down from time to time. We still have a lot of opportunities to take nice animals in the state. EHD, 8 months of winter, and lack of habitat isn't the game and fish's fault. Tell me your thoughts on what they should do.  I am 100% for squeezing the vice on NDGF if they blatantly push their own ethics into regs. My stance is a cornpile has a negligible effect on the spread, but like ANS they do what is within their power to slow it. I won't defend their CWD push, but if you ask me not allowing baiting in certain counties is pretty low on my radar as far as things to be worried about (ND hunting wise). I can still grow a patch of corn and be perfectly legal. In essence, it would take a big amount of money and a change of mindset for ND to turn around and we will still probably never be a trophy destination. We all know that mid winter this place is a moonscape and land owner tendencies have changed compared to what it was 20 years ago. The thing is Lunk, we don't all want the same thing. Fritz and the Farm bureau want the game and fish department gone. Read their policies and ask why any outdoorsman would consider them an ally. They don't want you on the dirt roads if you aren't farming or ranching. I have a FB neighbor that gives me problems because my land isn't in production even though noxious weeds are controlled. He just thinks that since its purely recreational he can tell me what to do and that is their mindset. They say they're on the hunter's side, but that's only now while its convenient. Talk to Daryl L, Gabe and his son, or the CWD FB page. The conversation will go from "it's about baiting, its about kids/handicapped opportunities, it's about nutrition, it's about government overreach, it's about landowner rights". In that order. Every time. They don't have a specific problem, or solution. It's just game and fish = bad, farmers and ranchers need to be in charge. NDFB have a plan of "death by a thousand paper cuts" through legislation until hunters and fishermen have no more interest in ND outdoors and they have control. They will control everything; tag allocation, access, you name it and I 100% guarantee you will see this coming down the pipe. In fact, I will bookmark this post and bring it back at the next biennium. Once we set the precedent that game and fish laws are legislated via emotional outrage, we will circle the drain.Have you heard the term "useful idiots"? Where a cause is propagandized and the masses get so fired up about a single detail, they end up doing the dirty work for those behind the scenes to their own detriment? Strong case with CWD crowd.</blockquote>

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