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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Duckslayer100" data-source="post: 132872" data-attributes="member: 1485">I hope I didn't come off as an asshole. Or douche. Or douchenozzle. If so, I apologize. I'm pretty damn passionate about dogs and training, so apologies for any brashness. If you truly want a good Griff, look outside ND and MN and AWAY from the east coast. I'd search west. I believe there are good hunting breeders in Oregon/Idaho/Montana quadrant. In fact, check out versatiledogs.com. It's a forum loaded with V-dog information. There's a pretty strong Griff segment there and you'll wind up getting way more information than you need (or maybe want). I used to participate regularly, but got tired of the round-and-round-and-round we go that happens in just about every thread. In a lot of ways, it's not unlike FBO...except with more pertinent information and fewer girls-in-bikinis calendars. All I ask is that you don't completely rule out GWPs. There are some darn fine breeders right here in ND. And if you do like the look of my VC Remy, we're hoping to breed him to my buddies UT PI GWP this winters (she made it to the invitational this fall and missed out on a VC by ONE POINT...UGH). Pretty dog she is. Those pups are going to be CUUUUUTE buggers. And I'll probably be getting a divorce when I come home with one. Better start hiding my hunting equipment when the lawyers are looking for my half of things...</blockquote>