SB 2315 -Everything's Posted Bill

[KDM]

https://nodakangler.com/forums/show...ools-Trust-Fund-for-property-tax-relief/page2

view the very first post or #21

Yes, and does that post change anything I said in mine? That post says the state decided not to sell school lands. Does that not mean they first had to look at selling them??

 

[CrankB8]

District 12 will be well represented...for this bill anyway. I received a personal email back from each of my reps not in favor of this bill. However, one did mention it was gaining momentum because of the few that ruin things for the majority. It's not too late make your voice heard! Let your representatives know!

 

[PrairieGhost]

I think we can defeat this bill, but we have to leave the third grade mentality of not being a squealer behind us and help with reporting slob hunters. We also have to be willing to go to court and testify. If we don't eventually down the road everything will be posted. Landowners have to do the same. My relatives are such easy going people they let to many thing slide. One day they watched three guys in a pickup drive next to their shelterbelt for a full section east to west. It was posted and I'm sure not all three, perhaps none, had handicap permits to drive off trail. If I see it I'm taking pictures for evidence.

Edit: I'm not real happy about some of the things BCHA does, but I joined to offset the crazyness from groups beyond right like Farm Bureau. It's a shame the middle of the road sane people are so quiet because we are loosing from both ends and I fear in North Dakota we could loose the tiny amount of public land we do have. There will only be a few winners with that scenario and I think everyone knows who that is.

 

[SLE]

Count me in, I have emailed all the representatives of my district, neighboring districts, and the Ag committee. Now is the time, there will be a committee hearing tomorrow (01/25) at 8:30am on this Bill.

 

[wstnodak]

I see this bill as another door closing for the sportsman and another door opening up for the anti's. I have no proof but I would have to think the likes of peta and hsus do not frown on legislation like this. Am I out of line thinking like this?

 

[Up Y'oars]

I emailed all of the committee members and my district legislators last night. :;:cheers

 

[FishSticks]

I emailed the 4 reps in my district Monday and 2 responded back agreeing that it is a bad idea (although they are dems so take it with a grain of salt). Thanks for posting the senate ag committee info, I emailed all 4 this morning.

I have such a hard time getting a hold of landowners now to ask permission on posted fields, I can't imagine how tough it will be if this passes.

 

[Kurtr]

i dont hunt up there but i emailed your committee as a nr against this bill trying the help out door comunity

 

[PrairieGhost]

I see this bill as another door closing for the sportsman and another door opening up for the anti's. I have no proof but I would have to think the likes of peta and hsus do not frown on legislation like this. Am I out of line thinking like this?

Good point. Anything that hurts hunters or animal agriculture makes them happy.

KurtR:

i dont hunt up there but i emailed your committee as a nr against this bill trying the help out door comunity

Thank you Kurt.

 

[Walleye_Chaser]

Thanks Kurt! This bill is bad news for the future of outdoors

 

[PrairieGhost]

Thanks Kurt! This bill is bad news for the future of outdoors

And average landowner/farmer.

 

[Fordboy]

I sent emails yesterday. Got a response from one legislator but it didnt say one way or another which way he was leaning

 

[Migrator Man]

I’m having a hard time reconciling this personally with my views on private property rights vs my desire to hunt unencumbered. I’m not sure it will be the doom and gloom some predict but I do know it will impact waterfowl hunters the most.

Question for you waterfowlers, when you go out looking for a field/slough, do you go with the assumption that you’re going to have to get permission?

I purposely try to hunt unposted land instead of having to get permission for posted land. Many of the landowners do not like to be bothered at night and during the hunting season they are even more busy with harvest. Scouting before the season is also tough because a guy doesn’t know what field the birds will be in the night before the hunt. I also do not think being able to get ahold of the landowners for permission is going to be very easy. They won’t force landowners for addresses and phone numbers and they shouldn’t have to give up their privacy. We are sacrificing people wanting privacy for people who don’t think they should have to post their land. This will be doom and gloom for law abiding sportsmen, sporting goods stores, the game and fish budget, and for rural communities.

 

[njsimonson]

As I was thinking about this bill for tomorrow's hearings, I want to share one other item that the proponents use as a "solution" when the million acres of unposted lands disappears if it becomes law...the "unposted database" where landowners can list their names, voluntarily, as open to hunting after the law changes...

We've had that database for 20 years...AND PEOPLE GET PAID TO PUT THEIR NAMES IN IT...IT'S CALLED PLOTS.

What will make the person who leaves their land unposted now, but not in PLOTS (where they could get free money) put their land in a voluntary database where they DON'T GET PAID?!? The million acres still disappear. The database "solution" is a feel-good farce.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

What about a program where it is the responsibility of the landowner to "opt in" if they want their land posted? Of course everyone would opt in against trespass (because that is what this is about) so there would have to be another check box for hunting.

 

[Uncle Jimbo]

I heard back from the senator in my district. She is Republican and said she's received so many emails from sportsmen on this bill she can't possibly respond to all of them. She said she will not be supporting this bill as it's obvious it's very important to a large number of her constituents.

The take home message for me is that the legislators are hearing us even if they aren't responding. As always, continue voicing your opinion to your legislators. Not just on this issue, but all issues that are of importance to you. And for God's sake, if your legislator isn't voting how you think they should be, take note and don't vote for them next election.

 

[ndlongshot]

Thanks KurtR.

I emailed whole damn Senate.

hcanderson@nd.gov

jbakke@nd.gov

bbekkedahl@nd.gov

raburckhard@nd.gov

dclemens@nd.gov

dcook@nd.gov

kdavison@nd.gov

ddever@nd.gov

jdotzenrod@nd.gov

madwyer@nd.gov

jayelkin@nd.gov

rerbele@nd.gov

rfors@nd.gov

jgrabinger@nd.gov

jheckaman@nd.gov

khogan@nd.gov

dhogue@nd.gov

rholmberg@nd.gov

jkannianen@nd.gov

jklein@nd.gov

kkrebsbach@nd.gov

ckreun@nd.gov

olarsen@nd.gov

dklarson@nd.gov

galee@nd.gov

jlee@nd.gov

lluick@nd.gov

rmarcellais@nd.gov

tmathern@nd.gov

scottmeyer@nd.gov

jmyrdal@nd.gov

eoban@nd.gov

doehlke@nd.gov

aosland@nd.gov

dpatten@nd.gov

mpiepkorn@nd.gov

npoolman@nd.gov

lrobinson@nd.gov

jroers@nd.gov

kroers@nd.gov

drust@nd.gov

dgschaible@nd.gov

rsorvaag@nd.gov

jkunruh@nd.gov

svedaa@nd.gov

tmwanzek@nd.gov

rwardner@nd.gov

 

[Lycanthrope]

Would this make it illegal to drive up to someones house to ask permission if there are no trespassing signs? Right now, I think people cannot be prosecuted for that, but ive had situations where people have gotten very angry for even going on their land to ask permission to hunt, could we potentially be prosecuted for even doing that if this passes?

 

[SLE]

just a little FYI:

This is the Bill in it's current form;
https://www.legis.nd.gov/lcn/counci...?enhlcNumber=2e01c5fd4e4f52ba57700a2c035c7f43

Below is the financial note which only discusses the direct financial impact for administering the Bill but does not address the loss in revenues from licensing, lodging, fuel tax, sporting good sales, etc.

https://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/66-2019/fiscal-notes/19-0896-01000-fn.pdf

The bill was introduced by the following senator & legislators;
Sen - Erbele, Patten, Unruh
Rep - Boe, Schmidt, Westlind

The Status as of today was that it would be heard at a committee hearing this morning (1/25) at 8:30 AM. No action has yet been taken by the House or the Governor. The bill was introduced by the Senate (1/17) and referred to the Senate Ag committee.

 

[Wirehair]

E-mailed my Senator and reps in District 30 on Jan 20. Received a call back within two hours from Senator Diane Larson of District 30. Have not had any response from Representatives Nathe / Bosch (Dist 30) or Rep Vigesaa (District 23) where we own some ag property. I sincerely appreciated Senator Larson's prompt response and willingness to engage in conversation relating to this and other pending bills. Kudos to her for taking time to promptly respond!! I do not recall much discussion relating the the Fiscal note that is attached to this bill.
https://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/66-2019/fiscal-notes/19-0896-01000-fn.pdf