Free Lunch

[Muleybuck]

Free Lunch sounds like a very good idea, it's even a noble one. I've heard from several people that work in the school system that no-one ever gets turn away but there is that stigma of getting in line then being "outed" that you don't have money to pay or just the embarrassment from your fellow students. Poverty is no fault of the child, so they shouldn't be punish. It doesn't need to be a constitutional measurement. This should be a biennium line budget item. There are many ways to pay for it such as getting it from ND resource such as oil. For the fiscal years 2023 and 2024 - $6 billion in tax revenues from oil and gas. You could also remove this exemption; "More than half of the 20,000 active oil wells in North Dakota have been certified as stripper wells, or low-producing wells, and pay a 5% gross production tax. But they are exempt from paying a 5% oil extraction tax." That would pay for it. Or increase the coal tax. Or eliminate the farm subsidy program could also pay for it. It's been over due to be eliminated. We don't subsidies business that can't make it due rent cost, lack of employees, tariffs or having a product no one wants. You could tax the non-profit properties, tax employees health insurance benefits as earned income. Also if you are giving free lunch to public schools then you must give it to private and parochial schools. You can not give a benefits to just part of the citizens, all citizens are entitled to and be able to benefit from it. If you want to pass a constitutional measurement than pass one that say all governments, county and city budgets shall be determined on the money you have verse on money you think you are going to have. Also all budgets are based on needs and not wants. Just like every American has to do.

 

[Pheasant 54]

Just take the money the ND Development fund has been pissing away

 

[johnr]

Who is feeding these poor fat kids in the summer?

How is it now just a problem, now that Americans have more money and available programs than ever before. Seems odd that at this point in history we would have all these starving kids.

Also increasing taxes on oil companies, or charging income tax for health insurance benefits, or any other sticking it to one group to fund another is all the same shit. Its getting the rest of society to pay for a certain group of society that should be holding their own.

Kids knowing when their mom and her welfare check are not covering their basic needs, so they know not to repeat it upon their time as an adult. Sometimes lessons are learned, or should I say most times lessons are learned from hardship.

How about when one kid has a new Jeep at the school parking lot, and poor Jimmy has to ride his Schwinn, do we need a program for the bike rider to not feel as though his family is poor.

They are all fed now, nothing needs to be amended, nothing needs to be pushed off unto another group to fund.

 

[Mike Fretty]

Who is feeding these poor fat kids in the summer?

How is it now just a problem, now that Americans have more money and available programs than ever before. Seems odd that at this point in history we would have all these starving kids.

Also increasing taxes on oil companies, or charging income tax for health insurance benefits, or any other sticking it to one group to fund another is all the same shit. Its getting the rest of society to pay for a certain group of society that should be holding their own.

Kids knowing when their mom and her welfare check are not covering their basic needs, so they know not to repeat it upon their time as an adult. Sometimes lessons are learned, or should I say most times lessons are learned from hardship.

How about when one kid has a new Jeep at the school parking lot, and poor Jimmy has to ride his Schwinn, do we need a program for the bike rider to not feel as though his family is poor.

They are all fed now, nothing needs to be amended, nothing needs to be pushed off unto another group to fund.

Our world is in trouble. You would think an outdoor website in NoDak would primarily consist of conservative and clear thinking people. Issues like this show otherwise

 

[johnr]

Our world is in trouble. You would think an outdoor website in NoDak would primarily consist of conservative and clear thinking people. Issues like this show otherwise

Where is the clear thinking about taking your neighbors money? Where is the clear thinking in taking your neighbors money is conservative?
Being for personal accountability, and limited government is what I believe to be conservative.

Not sure how we mandate society to help raise others kids is somehow conservative.

When there is a bowl of candy on someone's porch during Halloween with a note that says couldn't be home please take one, should the kid whose parent doesn't have candy money take all of it?

 

[Mike Fretty]

Where is the clear thinking about taking your neighbors money? Where is the clear thinking in taking your neighbors money is conservative?
Being for personal accountability, and limited government is what I believe to be conservative.

Not sure how we mandate society to help raise others kids is somehow conservative.

When there is a bowl of candy on someone's porch during Halloween with a note that says couldn't be home please take one, should the kid whose parent doesn't have candy money take all of it?

Im agreeing with you

 

[eyexer]

One thing about poverty is it teaches kids to get their asses out there and work when they’re of age so they don’t get stuck in that environment. That’s how this country was founded. Poor ass people who didn’t have a pot to piss in putting on their big boy panties and doing whatever it took to survive and become successful so that their kids didn’t have to live in that type of an environment

 

[Traxion]

One thing about poverty is it teaches kids to get their asses out there and work when they’re of age so they don’t get stuck in that environment. That’s how this country was founded. Poor ass people who didn’t have a pot to piss in putting on their big boy panties and doing whatever it took to survive and become successful so that their kids didn’t have to live in that type of an environment

I agree hard times make tough people. But generational poverty is something I witnessed full scale. I taught in a school I went to as a child. I saw many of the same families of my childhood still there struggling. Kids who grow up not knowing any different end up in the same spot. I’m not saying this would solve the problem, it won’t. But poverty is engrained and not always so easy to break out of. Kids don’t have a choice and by the time they should figure it out they’re so entrenched in the life they know they can’t escape. There was traveling escape room setup with poverty related issues. I wish everyone could experience it. I didn’t come from much and it was still incredibly eye opening with modern scenarios. Maybe my empathy and hope for the little ones who have parents who don’t give a crap is too high. Tough when you’ve seen so many. I wish everyone kid could break out of it but few really do. Gov’t help isn’t the solution, but I don’t know what is either.

 

[eyexer]

I agree hard times make tough people. But generational poverty is something I witnessed full scale. I taught in a school I went to as a child. I saw many of the same families of my childhood still there struggling. Kids who grow up not knowing any different end up in the same spot. I’m not saying this would solve the problem, it won’t. But poverty is engrained and not always so easy to break out of. Kids don’t have a choice and by the time they should figure it out they’re so entrenched in the life they know they can’t escape. There was traveling escape room setup with poverty related issues. I wish everyone could experience it. I didn’t come from much and it was still incredibly eye opening with modern scenarios. Maybe my empathy and hope for the little ones who have parents who don’t give a crap is too high. Tough when you’ve seen so many. I wish everyone kid could break out of it but few really do. Gov’t help isn’t the solution, but I don’t know what is either.

Government help isn’t the solution. If it was there wouldn’t be the insane number of homeless there is in California. Some chose to continue down the poverty path. Only they can decide if they want that or don’t. In ND with jobs galore there is no reason for any poverty. In the overwhelming majority of cases it’s sheer laziness

 

[Muleybuck]

Kids living in poverty already know the value of a dollar and as far as motivation they get that when they see how other children live and what others have that they don't and can't have. It takes at least 2 generation for a family to work out of the below standard living and into a good paying job. And a little bit of luck. Children didn't ask to be in this world and the least we could do is give them a fighting chance. A child's learning and body development are critical for a better future for them and society. Better to give them a chance when their in school verse on the system when they are older and have children of their own. I wonder what the medical issues adults wouldn't have, that would have been solved by at least 1 meal a day while in school. As far as spending your neighbors money your right we shouldn't so let quit doing it then. Lets quit giving out free narcan, child tax credits, free health insurance, business startup grants, or bailing out the auto industry and banking industries. Maybe we should quit subsiding farmers, oil and coal industries, electrical companies, transportation industries, day cares, solar power, internet companies, medical research and do away all student loans & grants. Heck let's do away with FEMA, NASA, and the Census Bureau. No extra tax return, your only getting back what you paid in. People given a life sentence with no parole for crimes, just eliminate them all together. Why house and feed them, they are just taking up good resources. Let everyone support themselves and place everyone on the same playing field. And let's call that "Advance Civilization." UFF DA

There are ways of helping people with out putting a burden on the system and doing so is just the Christian thing to do.