Back in the early 70s I did some work for a guy that had just got out of the service and he asked me what kind of deer rifle I had and I told him 308 Rem. He asked if I would trade some labor for some 308 ammo and he comes out with 2 full metal cans of 308 in stripper clips. One FMJ and the other tracer loads. Gave them too me dirt cheap so I took them. The FMJ did have a lot more whump than normal 308 and the tracers were just fun to shoot. Might still have some of the FMJ but tracers are gone. LB