Bill to use Common Schools Trust Fund for property tax relief

[eyexer]

Has to stay as grazing land. I'm sure you could lease and hold which would be great. Get a local sublease and graze every three years and you'd have something.

I don’t think it has to be grazing land.

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Do it. Just keep in mind all your sweat equity and improvements do not belong to you. And you cannot post it. Your efforts would be much better served if you purchased some land and did that exact same thing.

wouldnt have the same meaning

 

[db-2]

Yes I can post state land that I rent and have my livestock out there. Yes I can not hunt it either. Yes I do not own my sweat equity but not sure what sweat equity I would have into it and yes Fritz I would much ratter own my own land. If it happen to boarder some state land, I bought some pasture calves, well so be it.
However it seems we fight enough over deer without this town person bidding on some state land against the locals and getting right into the middle of it all for personal reason.
As a person living in town I have no rights out there with the real farmers/ranchers (just had to put that in there). db

 

[Allen]

dont know how it exactly works up there but down here they can post it all they want it is still public

With some justification (like having a bull or two on a full section) you can post the land with State supplied signs. They usually range from "Must Notify _____" or closed to hunting until MM/DD/YY". Unless they've changed, there may be more options available that I'm forgetting.

 

[Kurtr]

With some justification (like having a bull or two on a full section) you can post the land with State supplied signs. They usually range from "Must Notify _____" or closed to hunting until MM/DD/YY". Unless they've changed, there may be more options available that I'm forgetting.

If there is standing crops here is the only restriction. Me the warden and leaser had a nice little talk one day about it.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Yes I can post state land that I rent and have my livestock out there. Yes I can not hunt it either. Yes I do not own my sweat equity but not sure what sweat equity I would have into it and yes Fritz I would much ratter own my own land. If it happen to boarder some state land, I bought some pasture calves, well so be it.
However it seems we fight enough over deer without this town person bidding on some state land against the locals and getting right into the middle of it all for personal reason.
As a person living in town I have no rights out there with the real farmers/ranchers (just had to put that in there). db

db-2, you have read it many times on web-forums, posted by agitators, that ranchers pay little to nothing to lease school land. Here is a true story.

Albert had the lease for decades. The fence belonged to him and there was no water on it. He solved that problem by piping/pumping water under the county road from his well. The lease comes up every five years and Albert forgot to be there one day. His neighbor Don rented it. Albert took down his fence and cut off the water. Don put up a brand new fence (sweat equity) and watered his cows from his own property. But then Don got into a four wheeler accident and died. Don's brothers took down the fence.

Albert got the lease back and had to build another fence. (sweat equity) Albert died and his wife Larue sold the cows. She went shopping for someone to sublease to who would buy that new fence from her. She found Justin a beginning rancher. All was good until the five year lease went on the auction block. Joe from another town bid it through the roof. Justin asked Joe to buy the fence. Shyster Joe knew that Justin had 120 days to remove it or it would become the property of the State so he dragged his feet. At the very last minute Justin pulled his fence.

So Joe put up a new one. AGAIN. (sweat equity) Larue didn't like how this turned out so she shut off the water from her property on the other side of the county road. So now the taxpayers have the highest bidder (Joe) for the lease but he is from out of the area so at taxpayer expense a well was drilled equipped with solar panels and large galvanized water tanks. The money to do this installation was picked from different pockets and government programs. It is going to take many years of higher rents for the State to recoup this investment.

eyexer thinks it as simple as out bidding someone at a school land rental auction. Welcome to the neighbor​hood.

 

[Fitz]

I would completely challenge this statement. I don't think ANYBODY is looking at ND as a good cheap retirement option. High taxes, high costs of living (groceries, utilities, etc.), expensive housing, expensive transportation, and shitty weather all play into this. ND is not the "old folk's" play ground by any means. Most are moving out of ND to cheaper places, with more opportunity, and way better weather for retirement. I would say the vast majority that actually keep places in ND when they retire is strictly based on the fact it's either all the know and what they're comfortable with, or because their family is here.

No offense Davy but i think you missed the mark on this one.

Actually, if you look into it, we have a low cost of living when it comes to utilities and transportation.

 

[SLE]

Utilities maybe, transportation is arguable due to ND's vast expanses, urban sprawl and lack of public transportation.

 

[Kurtr]

i dont know what day care costs up there but it is cheap here compared to the rest of the country. My brother was paying 380 in charlotte and is paying 220 in Boise

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[Stan's Dad]

db-2, you have read it many times on web-forums, posted by agitators, that ranchers pay little to nothing to lease school land. Here is a true story.

Albert had the lease for decades. The fence belonged to him and there was no water on it. He solved that problem by piping/pumping water under the county road from his well. The lease comes up every five years and Albert forgot to be there one day. His neighbor Don rented it. Albert took down his fence and cut off the water. Don put up a brand new fence (sweat equity) and watered his cows from his own property. But then Don got into a four wheeler accident and died. Don's brothers took down the fence.

Albert got the lease back and had to build another fence. (sweat equity) Albert died and his wife Larue sold the cows. She went shopping for someone to sublease to who would buy that new fence from her. She found Justin a beginning rancher. All was good until the five year lease went on the auction block. Joe from another town bid it through the roof. Justin asked Joe to buy the fence. Shyster Joe knew that Justin had 120 days to remove it or it would become the property of the State so he dragged his feet. At the very last minute Justin pulled his fence.

So Joe put up a new one. AGAIN. (sweat equity) Larue didn't like how this turned out so she shut off the water from her property on the other side of the county road. So now the taxpayers have the highest bidder (Joe) for the lease but he is from out of the area so at taxpayer expense a well was drilled equipped with solar panels and large galvanized water tanks. The money to do this installation was picked from different pockets and government programs. It is going to take many years of higher rents for the State to recoup this investment.

eyexer thinks it as simple as out bidding someone at a school land rental auction. Welcome to the neighbor​hood.

me thinks you should find a new line of work if life sucks so bad for ya.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

me thinks you should find a new line of work if life sucks so bad for ya.

chuckling, I don't rent any school land. Not envious of those who do. ​

 

[PrairieGhost]

i dont know what day care costs up there but it is cheap here compared to the rest of the country. My brother was paying 380 in charlotte and is paying 220 in Boise

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My grandkids in Bismarck are 14 aand 16 years old now. When they were younger our son was paying $1200 a month for two kids in Bismarck. I don't have any idea if that is average or they were paying more. I know the in house small operations are cheaper, but the organized with their own buildings are expensive.

chuckling, I don't rent any school land. Not envious of those who do.

So what's the goal of your posts Fritz? Cheaper grazing rates for your neighbors and friends, or the sale of state lands? What is your agenda with your posts? Do you think the state should build fences so the ranchers can graze it? What??

Joe from another town bid it through the roof. Justin asked Joe to buy the fence. Shyster Joe knew that Justin had 120 days to remove it or it would become the property of the State so he dragged his feet. At the very last minute Justin pulled his fence.

Did anyone hold a gun to Joe or Justin's head and make them bid? People buy at auctions that way too and get burned. Idiots get burned more often. Maybe Joe's fence was a cheap peace of junk. The state should not have paid anything for improvements. The land is there to support schools not ranchers.

 

[Kurtr]

My grandkids in Bismarck are 14 aand 16 years old now. When they were younger our son was paying $1200 a month for two kids in Bismarck. I don't have any idea if that is average or they were paying more. I know the in house small operations are cheaper, but the organized with their own buildings are expensive.

So what's the goal of your posts Fritz? Cheaper grazing rates for your neighbors and friends, or the sale of state lands? What is your agenda with your posts? Do you think the state should build fences so the ranchers can graze it? What??

thats 150 per week per kid. My wife is in the process of building a day care center and with the regulations you have to be more expensive. My wifes mom has taught for 40 years and is going to be the director of education but has never wrote a lesson plan for infants so she is not qualified in the states eyes and needs to take some classes.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

PG said,

Did anyone hold a gun to Joe or Justin's head and make them bid? People buy at auctions that way too and get burned. Idiots get burned more often. Maybe Joe's fence was a cheap peace of junk. The state should not have paid anything for improvements. The land is there to support schools not ranchers.​

Precisely, the time is now for you guys to get in there and bid it up. Eyexer has been reading your spew about these rotten ranchers renting it on the cheap post after post for years here and fishingbuddy and nodakouthouse. Same nonsense different day. Now Eye mentions renting some. But you guys won't. Talk is cheap, it takes money to buy beer.

 

[PrairieGhost]

thats 150 per week per kid. My wife is in the process of building a day care center and with the regulations you have to be more expensive. My wifes mom has taught for 40 years and is going to be the director of education but has never wrote a lesson plan for infants so she is not qualified in the states eyes and needs to take some classes.

Yes on one hand regulation are simply a pain in the rear. Especially as you indicated qualifications for writing a lesson plan. On the other hand our grandson had his leg broken at a day care and they never told the parents. He was so little he didn't walk yet so it took a couple of weeks for people to catch on and they didn't know why he was crying so much. The day care simply tried to hide what they knew.

Fritz I wouldn't question your motives, if not for your dislike those who promote public land like Randy Newberg. I could remember the guys name the other day with the opioid meds I am taking for pain, but things are clear today. You run an outfitter business. Open public land is a competes with you. Do it yourself promoters detract from your profit. I get it. Why should ranchers expect taxpayers to build fence for them. If they build fence and someone else gets the bid what happens on private land? Why would anyone not expect these things on private land, but expect it from their government? On one hand some complain about the welfare mentality and on the other hand they have the welfare mentality.

 

[db-2]

Fritz:
I been to the auction sales. That land and other land is in grass and trees and has not been improved (that I have knowledge of). Yes there will be a fence and a source of water, maybe.
The bids go cheap even for pasture land compare to other pasture rent in the area. Usually the only one there is the previous renter.
Not many people have cows anymore so not a lot of bidders in my area. ($900 for a five lease every year on 80 acres).
I show up with the intend to qualify to rent too use for ag purpose but my real intend is for land to protect a herd of deer as it is prime deer country along side the grain farmers. I post with their signs (yes there are rules with that poster).
My buddy has cows, his goal is he is upset with his neighbor for shooting his dog and so no matter what he wants it, he owns land next to it, we put cows out there, fence,who know who owns, it's been there for years, water hole stays, and I work with him on it.

Yes welcome to the neighborhood (sweat equity I have not seen let alone some controlling of weeds however a little fence repairs now and then). And the local cow man is probably not getting as good of deal as the guy out west is getting grazing his cows on public land (until the government goes after their free rent).
Your story, knowing cowboys, yes, you do not mess with them, their cows, dog, horse, the multiple color pick-up (however they now have newer ones due to the recent cattle prices) or their wife who works in town at the ASC office however I do question what you have outline happening. Running cows is not like grain farming.

In the end, it is not worth the fight as the whole neighborhood is already fighting over the deer and like Clint Eastwood stated "I sure do not need to get in the middle of that". db-2

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Yes it takes monies to buy beer and real money if one drinks old mill. But I still have funds left for pasture rent. So why not, well as I stated I like to be able to drink with the local cow/calf man. db

 

[scrotcaster]

For those who dont think ND will dick around by selling or transfering State land, our brothers to the south are looking to do just that,,kinda interesting,

https://onyourownadventures.com/hunttalk/showthread.php?287160-South-Dakota-School-and-Public-lands-commisioner-proposes-selling-state-lands

[url]https://wnax.com/news/180081-south-dakota-public-lands-could-be-changing-hands/
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[Fritz the Cat]

Thank you db-2. Great post. You are probably the only on this site who has ever attended a public school lands bidding.

PG wrote,

Why should ranchers expect taxpayers to build fence for them. If they build fence and someone else gets the bid what happens on private land? Why would anyone not expect these things on private land, but expect it from their government? On one hand some complain about the welfare mentality and on the other hand they have the welfare mentality.​

Why don't you go to a school land auction PG and bid? It's the ND Land Trust. Go to a rental bidding. Maybe the State Agency can explain it to you. But they cannot understand it for you.

 

[eyexer]

Daycare in Williston is around $600-800 a month per kid on a full time basis I believe. That's the numbers I've heard anyway.

 

[db-2]

I have an abstract in front of me and I go back to Doc dated 8/85.
It refers to 2/22/89 and writes about the feds making us a state. In there it states " did grant statehood and the state did accept for the support of the common school, section 16 and 36 in every township or other lands equivalent for the use and support of schools". The wording spells out 590,000 acres of other land.
At that time a portion of section 16 in this one township was already own by another so not sure what other land the state put into school land. As I look at the various section 16 and 36 in townships a lot of that land is own privately. So I assume it was already own by someone prior to statehood.

My feeling is we need to not sell this land for a moment gain while losing the long term gain, why would someone in Bismarck want to do that, makes no sense for me right now or in the past. At the same time I am not sure why if we have the land in savings with its rental income why we continue to save the earnings from that land and not spent some at least on schools as it was intend to be if it is really needed for the schools. At the same time for me I do not need to have my property tax for schools reduce (but I am old, my kids got their education and why do I need to pay for your kids schooling (heard that all the time when I had kids in school) db

if there are 36 townships in every county and there are 53 counties at 640 acres/section times 2 then there was 2,442,240 acres own by the state for schools at statehood. no/yes help me on that.
Well the 36 townships is wrong so can someone tell me the right number?

I will try this number of 1317 townships in ND at 1280 acres equals 1,685,760 acres at statehood for schools. no/yes
My internet tells me 2,495,000 at statehood and now 723,000. I guess I would like someone to tell me the answer as I do not know where to find and where the land went and why. db

 

[Kurtr]

Daycare in Williston is around $600-800 a month per kid on a full time basis I believe. That's the numbers I've heard anyway.

540 ish is where rates are going to start at her day care for a month