Bison players kicked off football team

[WormWiggler]

Is Teammakers fundraising a football only thing or is it spread across the athletic department? Does the numbers that show the football program losing money include these funds?

 

[BrokenBackJack]

Teammakers is across the board for all athletics not just football.
At least that is what it used to be as had a couple buddies that were members and they donated big bucks every year to it as their businesses did very very well!

 

[eyexer]

Teammakers is across the board for all athletics not just football.
At least that is what it used to be as had a couple buddies that were members and they donated big bucks every year to it as their businesses did very very well!

well if that's the case than they aren't fully funding these scholarships for the football team.

 

[BDub]

A different look at this subject.

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[h=1]Study: NDSU annual economic impact totals $884 million[/h]By Ryan Johnson on Dec 28, 2012 at 11:30 p.m.
FARGO - North Dakota State University boasts an economic impact of more than $884 million each year, according to a new analysis that also found students enjoy a high rate of return on their educational investment.
The analysis, commissioned by NDSU and conducted by Idaho-based Economic Modeling Specialists International, looked at 2010-11 academic and financial reports, employment data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, earnings figures from the U.S. Census Bureau and other studies.
EMSI Assistant Vice President of Professional Services Annike Crapuchettes said the report found a high return on investment at NDSU. Students have an average return of 14.4 percent each year for the tuition, fees and wages they give up during their education, meaning they recover the costs in 10.6 years.
She said taxpayers, too, enjoy a healthy return. The state government provided $126.5 million to the university in the 2011 fiscal year, resulting in an expected $1.03 return for each tax dollar invested over the course of students' careers through higher taxes and avoided costs.
Crapuchettes said the overall return for state and local governments in the region shows NDSU is a strong investment.
"Taxpayers get a rate of return of around 3 percent, which is very solid considering that most government investments are not going to generate a return on investment that high," she said.
The study found students increase their lifetime income by $5.23 for every dollar they invest in NDSU and that the average regional career midpoint income with a bachelor's degree is $58,200, about 94 percent more than with a high school diploma.
The operations of NDSU also contribute to the regional economy, resulting in $201.2 million in annual income that includes $74.8 million from the school's research activities.
Non-local students who attend the university generate about $25.1 million each year in added income through off-campus spending on housing, transportation and other expenses, while visitors who come to NDSU contribute about $2.9 million annually in spending while here.
The university's total operations and additional spending it spurs amounts to $884.6 million each year - about 1.9 percent of the total regional economy.
Craig Whitney, president and CEO of the Fargo Moorhead West Fargo Chamber of Commerce, said NDSU proves to be a "huge economic boon" to the region because of its impact on the community, whether through the 55-acre Research and Technology Park or boosted visibility from the football team's nationally televised playoff game earlier this month.
Whitney said NDSU, along with the Moorhead operations of Concordia College and Minnesota State University Moorhead, helps make this a college community that attracts investment from corporations and further boosts jobs. Along with the "human capital" of residents' strong work ethic, he said NDSU has helped make the community what it is today.
"It makes for an incredible ingredient for success," he said.
Readers can reach Forum reporter Ryan Johnson at (701) 241-5587

 

[WormWiggler]

A different look at this subject.

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[h=1]Study: NDSU annual economic impact totals $884 million.....]

I believe the fact that Higher Education is an economic engine is not being disputed. I would think the goal would be for the taxpayers to see break even on the tax dollars invested at the initial level. But keeping in mind that uses of funds need to be justified.


as a simple example... College of Sausage in Wishek opens, legislature gives them a million for expenses. Being good administrators they educate all comers for 800K. The remaining 200K? where does it go? Bonuses? I would hope not... Rainy Day fund, not a favorite of mine for the government to had, temptation and all. Returned to legislature? those fools would just blow it. Reduce costs for students, that is where I think it should go.

I am not a fan of taxpayers dollars being spent on entertainment. period. Even if the entertainment is a profit generator, the capitalist in me thinks someone would pick up that ball, but likely won't if competing with the government.

 

[eyexer]

If the state is giving them that much money a year how in the hell is the tuition that high then. What did the taxpayers pay for this study lol?

 

[zoops]

This is way to simple of a look, but most K-12 districts' costs come out to about 10 grand per kid. That's with class sizes around 20-25 and the kids being there all day and what I would consider more programs (special ed, etc). College tuition is about the same but you're in class 3-4 hours per day and often class sizes well over 100 (most of my generals at UND were over 200). What colleges spend per student has to be huge.

 

[WormWiggler]

If the state is giving them that much money a year how in the hell is the tuition that high then. What did the taxpayers pay for this study lol?

I would love to see the breakdown of expenses but I am sure they would be complicated enough to be over my head. Is there "Higher Education Finances For Dummies"?

I suppose
Building & Grounds Maintenance
Salaries for Administration
Salaries for Instructors
Salaries for Support personnel
Policing costs

anyone care to add to the list

Is cost numbers that were listed earlier in the thread just tuition or is housing, books, supplies included?

 

[Brian Renville]

I wonder how much of the numbers we are seeing is growing pains? When you look at the top earning programs in the country, most aren't getting taxpayer money(sports we are talking). Then after the few top earners there is a big dropoff as far as supporting themselves. While programs at the North Dakota schools are subsidized as a percentage of budget it's not real high compared to other NCAA schools. Pretty sure some are in the 80+% of their entire budget. Anyway NDSU football is too big for it's britches at this point, lets emphasize "at this point", a losing season can end that real quick. They could probably fill close to double the capacity they have now. If we think Fargo is full now on game weekends now it would burst if that took place. The TV deal is nice but not nearly as big as it could be. The sponsors are great Gate City, Sanford, etc.... But those numbers would be much larger as well. That economic impact alone should, under competent leadership and honest bureaucrats(oxymoron), pay the bills and then some. The main difference though is the non subsidized programs in this country were founded as much on sports as anything else. The longstanding joke is without the football team Texas wouldn't have been able to ever build a library. It's actually kind of true. At the same time it's important to remember that it takes government run anything $5 to accomplish something any of us can do with $1.

 

[NDSportsman]

haven't heard about that. what's that all about

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that's a new record. meaning they never raised that much before. so how did they pay those scholarships/stipends for all those years before this?

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That I can believe could happen.

Team Makers has been fully funding all of NDSU's athletic scholarships for about 5 years now I believe. Before that NDSU was only offering scholarships that TM's could fund.

There are roughly 200 scholarship athletes at NDSU. Keep in mind not all athletes get a full scholarship and or stipend.

Just for reference and using estimates:

200 x $15,000 (acedemic aid) = $3,000,000
200 x $3400 (FCOA stipend) = $680,000
Total scholarship fund = $3,680,000

NDSU's total athletic budget is roughly $25,000,000 per year. It's currently subsidized(student fees) by about 35% or $8,000,000. BTW that's one of the smallest subsidies in the nation. UND's is almost 50%.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

 

[Bfishn]

No matter how you look at it college athletics cost the students money, basically non of them support themselves other than big time FBS football. If you start digging into these things there is a mind boggling amount of creative accounting to make them look better. I don't think college sports should be eliminated completely, because there is some value, but i don't think we need 12 men's and women's programs at every damn university. Pick three sports each for M and W and focus on them.

 

[Brian Renville]

It seems like we are assuming that the average paying non athletic scholarship student actually pays their way through college. They don’t, not by a long ways. The amount that a student pays in tuition and fees and the number the public school claims to need to accommodate them is quite a bit different. The remainder is picked up by the taxpayer. They aren’t paying for the athletes. In fact it’s very likely that if you factor in the economic impact plus the dollars raised for the school in tickets, media, team maker type groups, alumni, etc etc... the athletes cost the taxpayer far less than your average paying student.

 

[eyexer]

Team Makers has been fully funding all of NDSU's athletic scholarships for about 5 years now I believe. Before that NDSU was only offering scholarships that TM's could fund.

There are roughly 200 scholarship athletes at NDSU. Keep in mind not all athletes get a full scholarship and or stipend.

Just for reference and using estimates:

200 x $15,000 (acedemic aid) = $3,000,000
200 x $3400 (FCOA stipend) = $680,000
Total scholarship fund = $3,680,000

NDSU's total athletic budget is roughly $25,000,000 per year. It's currently subsidized(student fees) by about 35% or $8,000,000. BTW that's one of the smallest subsidies in the nation. UND's is almost 50%.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

those figures don't jive with the figures posted earlier in this post.