Chevy vs Ford

[Fester]

SuperDuty lock-outs are not the traditional "Free" and "Locked". They're "Auto" and "Locked". I've driven over 300K Mi between 2 SuperDuty Ford's and only had to actually "lock-in" a few times ice-fishing when things got wet and then iced up while we were fishing. Somewhere between 220K Mi and 230K Mi I replaced both front hub assembly/wheel-bearings. I don't think the front end or transfer case of a SuperDuty wears any faster than any other full-size pickup because of the option to lock-in 4WD, especially since almost nobody ever actually does it.

I did replace all the rubber vacuum lines for the 4WD on my current '11 F250 a couple years back. Actuation was getting slow after 12yrs and 200K+ Mi. The system works just like it's new now. It'll quickly shift from 2WD to 4-Hi without moving/rolling, I do that on the boat ramp if I forget to put it in 4WD when I'm back up.

If Ford still made the Excursion that's very likely what I'd be driving.


Some of them are really good. Subaru's CVT is pretty bullet-proof. I put 150K on a Nissan Murano and the wife has almost 40K on her Murano, there's never been a single issue with either regarding the CVT, they're smooth and you don't really notice them doing what they do. The Murano still has just a plain-old very reliable EFI (DFI actually I think), 3.5L V-6 that Nissan has been making for a very long time. The CVT allows that 3.5L V-6 to get Highway mileage that rivals 4-Cyl turbo/hybrid vehicles in the same class. The Nissan CVT is a whole lot more refined than the Subaru. Kiddo has a Forester and I had a 2011 or 2012 Legacy that I put about 80K on. The Subaru CVT is very much akin to driving a snowmobile. Mash the gas and the tach runs up to 6K and holds that RPM.

The nissan cvt is a disaster..until recently. Shit they even took the cvt out of the recent pathfinder because of all the cvt issues they have had with it. The murano and rogue are lighter and dont grenade them as much..it still happens but less then the pathfinder. They are smoother and get better gas mil...but the failurr rate is higher then a traditional transmision. I personally wont own a cvt unless thats what they all go to and have no other choice. In the 4 wheel drive transfer case on the nissans they have about 1 cup of oil in the front one..yes 1 cup...if you change it after about 40k the oil is black..horrible black... probably should be changed every 10k. If its on the 3.5 v6 the case sits right above the exhaust and just cooks the hell out of it. However the nissan 3.5 v6 is probably one of the best v6 ever made. The 4 cyl are also a very reliable and good option..just wish nissan wouldnt have had the cvt issues as i do believe nissan is a very well built vehicle and for what you pay and what you get is very very hard to beat.

 

[Fester]

The downside of aluminum body is the cost to repair compared to the traditional steel body, the aluminum stretches causing waves on the whole body piece, which means the whole panel need to be replaced. don't ask me how i know.

Most body panels are replaced in an accident..example. fender damage... cost to repair with body work and hours $200. Price to replace said fender with aftermarket $130. They just replace and spray. Pretty much replace anything front end like hood, fenders, and bumper cover. Where they try and repair is doors(depending on damage), roof, and rear quarters. Aluminum is harder to PDR then steel. They have to heat it up in order for it to hold.

 

[1lessdog]

The downside of aluminum body is the cost to repair compared to the traditional steel body, the aluminum stretches causing waves on the whole body piece, which means the whole panel need to be replaced. don't ask me how i know.

I had my two Ford F150 pickups setting side by side when a hail storm came thru. One steel the other aluminum. The steel had over 5800.00 in damage. The aluminum had no damage. The Adjuster came and looked at the pickups and just scratched his head.

 

[SDMF]

The nissan cvt is a disaster..until recently. Shit they even took the cvt out of the recent pathfinder because of all the cvt issues they have had with it. The murano and rogue are lighter and dont grenade them as much..it still happens but less then the pathfinder. They are smoother and get better gas mil...but the failurr rate is higher then a traditional transmision. I personally wont own a cvt unless thats what they all go to and have no other choice. In the 4 wheel drive transfer case on the nissans they have about 1 cup of oil in the front one..yes 1 cup...if you change it after about 40k the oil is black..horrible black... probably should be changed every 10k. If its on the 3.5 v6 the case sits right above the exhaust and just cooks the hell out of it. However the nissan 3.5 v6 is probably one of the best v6 ever made. The 4 cyl are also a very reliable and good option..just wish nissan wouldnt have had the cvt issues as i do believe nissan is a very well built vehicle and for what you pay and what you get is very very hard to beat.

I had a '22 Pathfinder w/the new 9-spd. It was OK, but, any slight incline or 10+ MPH headwind and it'd try too hard to hold 9th gear on the highway, it'd lug pretty good before it'd shift. Wind or hills I ended up driving it in manual w/the paddles.

 

[Fester]

I had my two Ford F150 pickups setting side by side when a hail storm came thru. One steel the other aluminum. The steel had over 5800.00 in damage. The aluminum had no damage. The Adjuster came and looked at the pickups and just scratched his head.

The aluminum on the f150 was thicker and stronger then the steel used. I believe they did this becuase of the whole aluminum is weaker then steel during the time. Basically ford was trying to prove a point and didnt want bad publicity from using aluminum.remember the chevy commercial dumping bricks in the box? They wete doing everything they could to stay away from an incident like that.

 

[snow2]

SuperDuty lock-outs are not the traditional "Free" and "Locked". They're "Auto" and "Locked". I've driven over 300K Mi between 2 SuperDuty Ford's and only had to actually "lock-in" a few times ice-fishing when things got wet and then iced up while we were fishing. Somewhere between 220K Mi and 230K Mi I replaced both front hub assembly/wheel-bearings. I don't think the front end or transfer case of a SuperDuty wears any faster than any other full-size pickup because of the option to lock-in 4WD, especially since almost nobody ever actually does it.

I did replace all the rubber vacuum lines for the 4WD on my current '11 F250 a couple years back. Actuation was getting slow after 12yrs and 200K+ Mi. The system works just like it's new now. It'll quickly shift from 2WD to 4-Hi without moving/rolling, I do that on the boat ramp if I forget to put it in 4WD when I'm back up.

If Ford still made the Excursion that's very likely what I'd be driving.


Some of them are really good. Subaru's CVT is pretty bullet-proof. I put 150K on a Nissan Murano and the wife has almost 40K on her Murano, there's never been a single issue with either regarding the CVT, they're smooth and you don't really notice them doing what they do. The Murano still has just a plain-old very reliable EFI (DFI actually I think), 3.5L V-6 that Nissan has been making for a very long time. The CVT allows that 3.5L V-6 to get Highway mileage that rivals 4-Cyl turbo/hybrid vehicles in the same class. The Nissan CVT is a whole lot more refined than the Subaru. Kiddo has a Forester and I had a 2011 or 2012 Legacy that I put about 80K on. The Subaru CVT is very much akin to driving a snowmobile. Mash the gas and the tach runs up to 6K and holds that RPM.

If I remember right Ford auto locking hubs are or were still mechanical meaning to fully unlock one needs to backup at 10' otherwise free wheeling front drive shaft still spinning front wheels not engaged but that was a couple years ago.

 

[Ruttin]

I'll never buy a GM vehicle again for this exact reason.

Another thing that get my gears grinding is GM will never address ANY of their KNOWN problems. Look how many rusted out wheel wells on any late model GM pickup. Don't even get me started on their oil coolant lines.

I like the burnt out running lights as well. wtf

 

[snow2]

The aluminum on the f150 was thicker and stronger then the steel used. I believe they did this becuase of the whole aluminum is weaker then steel during the time. Basically ford was trying to prove a point and didnt want bad publicity from using aluminum.remember the chevy commercial dumping bricks in the box? They wete doing everything they could to stay away from an incident like that.

Gm added aluminum top sheet on hood and tailgate also rocker panels down side dings.... "PDR" (pointless dent repair) made repairing damaged body panels very expensive Ford guyz I knew bitcht about high vehicle insurance vehicle premiums.

 

[Ruttin]

I switched to Ford after the 99 silverado went down the road. Expedition 200k+, Two Excursions one v10, gutless and one 7.3 diesel, regret selling. Both well over 200k. Two Explorers, one 3.5 ecoboost 190k, one 2.3 ecoboost 52k. Still drive both. One Edge 3.5 N/A, 142k still driving and a 6.7 F250 175k still driving. No tranny or motor problems with any of the above including the 99 chevy. Other family members and neighbors with GM see a lot of shop time.

 

[db2]

For me it's my 97 Dodge 2500, Cummins, 5 speed manual with positive traction., 4.10 gears.
Next week i plan on getting it out of cold storage and replace it with my 2020 GMC 1500.
Next fall i will again switch it back. (winter and summer vehicles)

I put a Ram ornament on the hood. When i get in it, fire it up and grab the shifting knob i get the same feeling that Harley riders get when they mount their Harley.

And that is King of the Road. Nothing else matters. db-2

 

[deleted___account]

Look at all the Chevys running around that are rusted out. Haven't seen any new ones rusted yet but my last Chevy rig rusted out bad. Told myself never again but maybe they've fixed that problem now.

 

[SLE]

If I remember right Ford auto locking hubs are or were still mechanical meaning to fully unlock one needs to backup at 10' otherwise free wheeling front drive shaft still spinning front wheels not engaged but that was a couple years ago.

That’s incorrect. They’ve had 4 auto on the superduty’s literally since 99’. The hubs have remained with a lock option. So auto or lock. If you rip off a vacuum line or have sone other issue, you can go out and manually lock them which served as a great back up if you had a problem with the auto. Have never need to manually lock them on my 03’ that I’ve had for the last 22 years……,,.,

 

[SLE]

What they don’t have is an “auto” button for the 4wd on the superduties. You either gave 2wd, 4 hi, or 4 low. No auto…..

 

[1lessdog]

What they don’t have is an “auto” button for the 4wd on the superduties. You either gave 2wd, 4 hi, or 4 low. No auto…..

Yes your right, my 99 superduty had lockouts. And 4 wheel drive shifter on floor.

 

[snow2]

What they don’t have is an “auto” button for the 4wd on the superduties. You either gave 2wd, 4 hi, or 4 low. No auto…..

Yeah I get the super duty F series I was referring to 80% of truck driving city folks 1/2 ton grocery getters.

 

[SDMF]

Yeah I get the super duty F series I was referring to 80% of truck driving city folks 1/2 ton grocery getters.

So you think that an F-150 needs to be backed up to unlock the hubs? Probably not since the ‘97’s launched in late-‘95.

My ‘95 F-150 had true lock-outs, so did my ‘85 Ranger but that’s 30 and 40 years back respectively. A raw cry from, “a few years ago.”

 

[snow2]

So you think that an F-150 needs to be backed up to unlock the hubs? Probably not since the ‘97’s launched in late-‘95.

My ‘95 F-150 had true lock-outs, so did my ‘85 Ranger but that’s 30 and 40 years back respectively. A raw cry from, “a few years ago.”

Like I said been years and honestly not a Ford guy just remember GM vs Ford propaganda. Years fly by the older one gets.

 

[Migrator Man]

Not talking about trucks here but those cvt transmisions are bad and need to be axed!

Trick with those CVT transmissions is to change the fluid ever 30-40k, old fluid absolutely kills them

 

[Migrator Man]

I would say most are decent. I have seen a number of trucks with 200k or more that still had original tranny and engine. Back in the 80's and 90's thst was unheard of and extremely rare.

The trucks on the lots today have a bigger chance of a big failure than any of the trucks from 10-15 years ago. Reliable and bullet proof is not a description of any of those trucks

 

[SLE]

Yeah I get the super duty F series I was referring to 80% of truck driving city folks 1/2 ton grocery getters.

F150’s haven’t had lockout hubs since 1997……..yah know, like 28 years ago . Didn’t you use to sell cars and trucks, albeit GM but still……..