Chevy vs Ford

[jdfisherman]

I must be old school: less than a quart per 1000 miles was considered acceptable back in the day.

 

[Callem'In]

It still is the norm in the industry. A quart in 2000 miles is considered within specs. The problem lies in that the engine did not pass fe economy standards so they reversed their own fix instead of finding an acceptable repair.

 

[SDMF]

Well, after a 6.0L PSD for 60K Mi, a 6.7L PSD for 265K Mi, I'm back in a gas 1/2Tn.

F-150 XLT, 3.5L EB, Crew, 6.5' box, FX4 Off-Road package, 3:55's w/ELD.

Just under 3400Mi in the 1st 2 weeks. The noisiest thing within what folks would call "Road Noise" is the hollow sound of the tonneau cover flapping a bit.

The seats are comfy. The door pockets don't have quite as much room as my '11 F250, but there's plenty of room for the stuff I like to have in them.

The front end is a bit "floaty" @ speed for my taste so I may have to look into shocks w/less rebound. Couple of those multiple rolly-bumps on '94 between Bis and Beach transported me back to riding in grandma's old 76 Town Car when dad would wind up the 460 and hide the orange indicator needle on the 2' wide speedometer.

A goodly portion of the new tech I could do without, however, kiddo and I ran some steep mountain trails last week and figured out that when you engage 4-Low, the HVAC/Sound screen switches to the front camera on the grill's Ford emblem showing you what's upcoming. Additionally, the screen has tire tracks superimposed so you know where/what your tires will be running over. There's also solid lines just outside the tire-tracks which denote the actual sides of the pickup. This was a welcome surprise.

The 3.5L/10-spd held 10th gear from Livingston to the top of Bozeman pass @ 85. In fact the 10-spd does more gear hunting from 55-70 MPH than it does form 75-85. Whitehall to Fargo by way of Killdeer to nab the dog was 860Mi on Tuesday. I reset the MPG tattle-tale leaving the Whitehall filling station. 18.3 MPG running w/the cruise set 99.999967599% of the time 4-5MPH over the posted limit. Lots of 85MPH sections of that trip.

Best feature by far, coming from a 26Gal diesel tank to a 36gal gas tank. I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the extra 10Gal of fuel. Curious to see how it does w/the boat hooked up.

 

[Zogman]

^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Maddog]

Oh what a feeling ..... Toyota.

 

[SDMF]

Oh what a feeling ..... Toyota.

I drove one. It had everything I got in the F-150 including the 6.5’ box. Rode and drove nice, power @ highway speed was instant, it felt nice.

Couldn’t get past that they haven’t really stated they’ve run the 3.4L failures to ground and solved the problem. Cited “machining debris” and instituted new cleaning regimens to no useful end regarding engine failures. I will say, for engine failures they don’t fool around even a little bit w/short-blocks or tear-downs. Full-swap, complete assembly. 0 reliance on a tech who may, or may not have ever taken one apart and put it back together. Basically “Plug and Play”. That’s above and beyond IMO.

I needed to see them state:

Root cause found and eliminated. Failures eliminated down to a rate commensurate with good manufacturing standards.

Pricing was in-line w/the F150 I bought and financing was I believe 0% for 72Mo. I tried.

 

[Maddog]

I wish Honda would make a real truck.

 

[SDMF]

I wish Honda would make a real truck.

I think if I were going to try to enter the 1/2Tn-1Tn pickup market from scratch, I’d go to industry 1st rather than consumers.
Mining, logging, oil patches, seed/fertilizer sales. Offer industry partners unbeatable pricing in exchange for full-time telematics data to REALLY find out how trucks are used “in the real world”:

Idle time, throttle positions, every shift, every switch into/out of 4WD. Every time the traction/stability control activated with a GPS pin And real-time weather info from the nearest weather station. 3-D laser mapping of the tires at a minimum, every oil change, full-time live 3-d laser mapping data would be even better. Real-time video from every camera on the pickup. I’d think there’s probably a way to measure the acoustics of every major component of the power-train. Basically a way to listen for contact within the system that shouldn’t be there. Dragging piston rings, non/under-lubricated camshaft, crank, piston bearings & wrist-pin contact noise, basically everything from the clutch fan off the front pulley to the rear-end. VERY strongly magnetized drain plugs for the motor, transmission, transfer case, both differentials and everything run off of a belt or chain if the motor. Acoustics for all of the running gear and suspension as well. Axle-shafts and their bearings, wheel bearings, driveshaft and perhaps a carrier bearing if it’s got one. All of the suspension pivot points to “hear” any bushing wear, dragging shocks, shifting front and/or rear springs, and dragging brakes.

I’d want it all in order to “bullet-proof” EVERYTHING for the consumer.