Drones and Air Space

[Davey Crockett]

Our world today destroying a wetland is a federal offense,doing so permits are required plus other restrictions today ,our wetlands are precious commodity today more so than years past.yoy had a beautiful wildlife area ,sad you lost it.

For building infrastructure it is required and most of the time it has to be replaced. The water boards, not so much. I get that water must flow, that's on no brainer but they must not agree or realize that storage capacity is a real thing during an unusually wet season. I have another doozy , across the highway I have another pond that has floating bogs, tried to post a google earth pic but I can't find that option. Anyway I always thought it is cool how that pond changes shape from year to year. twice the bogs had floated towards the drain culvert under the highway and the county had a heck of a time getting the plugs out. I get a call from water board , we are going to get rid of your beaver because they are plugging the culvert. I told him about the bogs and he said well beaver will use cattails if they don't have wood to use. (pond is surrounded by trees) I reminded him of that and he was flexing his authority so I wasn't going to argue. I told him to have the county foreman give me a call me and he said he would. I never heard from foreman but they put a hog panel in front of culvert and problem is solved. I felt bad for putting road foreman on the spot but I wanted to talk to someone with a little common sense. I suppose he thought he was gonna get his ass chewed for being the middleman again.

 

[Davey Crockett]

Sorry to hijack the drone topic but it felt good to get that off my shoulders , been bottled up in me for too long. I guess it was drone related. I remember one neighbor who I enjoyed the most when I was a kid , He told my dad there has been more fist fights at dances over water than girls and giggled with his funny giggle that sounded like Popeye

 

[snow2]

Sorry to hijack the drone topic but it felt good to get that off my shoulders , been bottled up in me for too long. I guess it was drone related. I remember one neighbor who I enjoyed the most when I was a kid , He told my dad there has been more fist fights at dances over water than girls and giggled with his funny giggle that sounded like Popeye

Ageed davey,what happened to you was Minnesota wetland and other states demise drain tile of our prairie land turned to farm land then urban subdivisions followed or "urban sprawl".

I seen this 20 + years ago pheasant hunting in the middle of no f ing where nebraska,street signs on country gravel roads years later model homes popped up,sloughs and farmland drained,more development followed

 

[ORCUS DEMENS]

Farmers occasionally "fill in" low spots in dry years and don't get hit for removing wetlands. Some states have resorted to using old aerial imagery and satellite images to go after businesses that expand into wetlands. Hefty fines and restoration costs are usually levied. I read of a concrete company that got caught this way. They kept dumping old concrete into a wetland to expand their yard.

 

[JMF]

Well my take as a new copter drone pilot the feds have regulations for us recreational pilots starting with said drone weight,these small light weight copter drones under 250gms are limited on range and height and are useless in strong winds,however larger full size drones (over 250gm) more stable in strong winds require a recreational piolet license and are federally restricted in drone altitude (400') and restricted from flying over hiways and residential homes and must stay certain distances from active private and commercial airports for obvious reason,get caught doing above flights results in hefty faa $ penalties


Drone pilots that use drones for commercial use such as building inspection, real estate listing properties etc must pass a commercial piolet license test and can be used to fly over hiways and neighborhood s.

Ideally drone manufacturers recommend only flying drones within line of sight but so far not law,my DJI drone (weight over 250gms) has a 16 mile range and is said to have a 1600' altitude cap but I wouldn't know,these thing are totally invisible and silent at 100' most high end copter drones that use a quality hand held controller have built in warnings is said drone enters restricted air space some controllers will shut down drone flight if warnings are not obeyed.

Chatter recently about restricting certain copter drone sales like DJI drones as these drones are made in china with a possibility of ccp spying capabilities but ive herd nothing recent regarding this issue.in the mean time these copter drones are alot of fun to use most have excellent built in micro camera's for still pictures and video's with camera zoom of 28x and night vision modes.

Ill admit ive used mine to scout my hunting area looking for active waterfowl field feeds and daily resting sloughs saving my gas $ for ammo etc.

Where did you get this information from? I have a commercial drone licence, part 107, and your post is full of misinformation.

 

[snow2]

Where did you get this information from? I have a commercial drone licence, part 107, and your post is full of misinformation.

Actually my post is all facts when i research getting my recreational pilot license as I stated ,part107 license is totally different and a free rein license except near airfields where one needs special exception permits, could be just my state regulations?,

California has more regulations and restrictions so your state less populated less regulations, dunno,i haven't had issues flying in my location,no reason to point out misinformation on my end,again my post is for a "recreational " pilot license to be compliant and legal.

 

[snow2]

Today it's reported " mysterious drones" flying over our military bases and FBI investigating these air space incursions drones hovering over their homes, spy balloons two years ago now spy drones,feds are said to have two domestic "anti drone" agencies and our secretary of homeland defense "mayorkas " wont expand these agencies, amazing thing lying pos is still our government official.

 

[Wirehair]

During the summer of 22, we had what appeared to be 2 different drones frequently hover at the shoreline (Missouri River-Bismarck) of our property and 2 neighbors. At first we did not pay much attention and eventually it became an annoyance and we were wondering what they were doing. They appeared to be controlled from pontoons on the water. After a few weeks, I contacted Burleigh County Sheriff office and was told there was nothing that they could do. We were warned NOT to take any action on our own. Eventually it stopped. Had I been in a more rural location they would have been disabled by some 31/2" OO steel shot as they were frequently well within range.

 

[snow2]

During the summer of 22, we had what appeared to be 2 different drones frequently hover at the shoreline (Missouri River-Bismarck) of our property and 2 neighbors. At first we did not pay much attention and eventually it became an annoyance and we were wondering what they were doing. They appeared to be controlled from pontoons on the water. After a few weeks, I contacted Burleigh County Sheriff office and was told there was nothing that they could do. We were warned NOT to take any action on our own. Eventually it stopped. Had I been in a more rural location they would have been disabled by some 31/2" OO steel shot as they were frequently well within range.

FYI...air space for manned and unmanned aircraft are protected by FAA rules,downing a drone via firearm could be costly if caught.

 

[Kurtr]

During the summer of 22, we had what appeared to be 2 different drones frequently hover at the shoreline (Missouri River-Bismarck) of our property and 2 neighbors. At first we did not pay much attention and eventually it became an annoyance and we were wondering what they were doing. They appeared to be controlled from pontoons on the water. After a few weeks, I contacted Burleigh County Sheriff office and was told there was nothing that they could do. We were warned NOT to take any action on our own. Eventually it stopped. Had I been in a more rural location they would have been disabled by some 31/2" OO steel shot as they were frequently well within range.

They make buck shot in steel ? Never seen that before

 

[Wirehair]

FYI...air space for manned and unmanned aircraft are protected by FAA rules,downing a drone via firearm could be costly if caught.

Essentially what we were told by Burleigh County deputy. It was a bit frustrating as it went on for an extended period and it seemed the rights of licensed, or possibly unlicensed, drone operators to invade our privacy exceeded our rights to prevent. Have no issues with drones in general but the incident certainly caused concern in the neighborhood as we realized that rights to reasonable privacy on private property were compromised due to FAA rues, etc. All we wanted was for the harassment to stop!
I originally thought it was someone just having fun with us and expected to receive a text regarding food on the grill or bottle of Crown on the table. That did not happen so we could only conclude it was not someone that we knew.

 

[snow2]

Essentially what we were told by Burleigh County deputy. It was a bit frustrating as it went on for an extended period and it seemed the rights of licensed, or possibly unlicensed, drone operators to invade our privacy exceeded our rights to prevent. Have no issues with drones in general but the incident certainly caused concern in the neighborhood as we realized that rights to reasonable privacy on private property were compromised due to FAA rues, etc. All we wanted was for the harassment to stop!
I originally thought it was someone just having fun with us and expected to receive a text regarding food on the grill or bottle of Crown on the table. That did not happen so we could only conclude it was not someone that we knew.

That's understandable, ignorant ppl in this case a drone pilot wrecks it for everyone, the more complaints new rules/laws follow

 

[CatDaddy]

@snow2 you been flying your drone much lately?

 

[snow2]

@snow2 you been flying your drone much lately?

Hello cat,not much as being retired full plate of daily activities including training my young bird dog Hank,now hunting season,spent most of my summer in summit county Colorado.

Infact after i charge the drone batteries up and make a couple fly overs on the farm i plan on putting it away for winter.

How about you? Did you drop yours in the lake this summer? I was reading some drones have issues over water, apparently down sensors cant read flat clear open water,would be my luck dropping my birdin the drink.

 

[Eatsleeptrap]

During the summer of 22, we had what appeared to be 2 different drones frequently hover at the shoreline (Missouri River-Bismarck) of our property and 2 neighbors. At first we did not pay much attention and eventually it became an annoyance and we were wondering what they were doing. They appeared to be controlled from pontoons on the water. After a few weeks, I contacted Burleigh County Sheriff office and was told there was nothing that they could do. We were warned NOT to take any action on our own. Eventually it stopped. Had I been in a more rural location they would have been disabled by some 31/2" OO steel shot as they were frequently well within range.

If that drone or drones were to "accidently" go down on your property, and you had No Trespassing signs up, could they enter your property to retrieve it? I wouldn't think they could, but then you are at risk of stealing property lost, mislaid or delivered by mistake. Be a damn shame if you were working on your septic tank and that drone went in. What are the odds? Same as a hole in one I guess.
They are coming out with a lot of anti drone technology like lasers and signal jammers. Guessing if the drone owner was questioned it would be "Wasn't my drone." So the person suffering should not be afraid to lie either. Sink that damn thing to the bottom of the Missouri, as sneakily as possible, and stick with "What drone?"

 

[Wirehair]

If that drone or drones were to "accidently" go down on your property, and you had No Trespassing signs up, could they enter your property to retrieve it? I wouldn't think they could, but then you are at risk of stealing property lost, mislaid or delivered by mistake. Be a damn shame if you were working on your septic tank and that drone went in. What are the odds? Same as a hole in one I guess.
They are coming out with a lot of anti drone technology like lasers and signal jammers. Guessing if the drone owner was questioned it would be "Wasn't my drone." So the person suffering should not be afraid to lie either. Sink that damn thing to the bottom of the Missouri, as sneakily as possible, and stick with "What drone?"

Generally attempt to stay on the right side of the law. Once we were aware of the rules regulating drones (FAA federally in this case), it made me realize, once again, that Joe Public is seldom, if ever, represented at the table where rule making occurs. Same can most certainly be said of state legislators and regulators in ND (IMO). Regarding drones, I see them as a positive. Amazing technology when used as intended. Was kayaking with fam on the Missouri River a few years ago and a drone operator on shore asked if we would like some pics / video of our family outing. He sent hi-res pics and video of our 3 generations kayaking & enjoying the great outdoors! Think of him & his generosity every time I see the pics.

 

[CatDaddy]

Hello cat,not much as being retired full plate of daily activities including training my young bird dog Hank,now hunting season,spent most of my summer in summit county Colorado.

Infact after i charge the drone batteries up and make a couple fly overs on the farm i plan on putting it away for winter.

How about you? Did you drop yours in the lake this summer? I was reading some drones have issues over water, apparently down sensors cant read flat clear open water,would be my luck dropping my birdin the drink.

Didn't fly much this summer. Really should try and get some in before winter hits!

 

[Eatsleeptrap]

Generally attempt to stay on the right side of the law. Once we were aware of the rules regulating drones (FAA federally in this case), it made me realize, once again, that Joe Public is seldom, if ever, represented at the table where rule making occurs. Same can most certainly be said of state legislators and regulators in ND (IMO). Regarding drones, I see them as a positive. Amazing technology when used as intended. Was kayaking with fam on the Missouri River a few years ago and a drone operator on shore asked if we would like some pics / video of our family outing. He sent hi-res pics and video of our 3 generations kayaking & enjoying the great outdoors! Think of him & his generosity every time I see the pics.

I get it. It's the Few Rotten Apples thing. Reading online where you can make a drone complaint directly to the FAA. While it isn't law, Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness trumps the law sometimes. I think the law will eventually catch up too and regulate nuisance drones such as your case. Someone just has to spy on the right person first.

 

[Davey Crockett]

During the summer of 22, we had what appeared to be 2 different drones frequently hover at the shoreline (Missouri River-Bismarck) of our property and 2 neighbors. At first we did not pay much attention and eventually it became an annoyance and we were wondering what they were doing. They appeared to be controlled from pontoons on the water. After a few weeks, I contacted Burleigh County Sheriff office and was told there was nothing that they could do. We were warned NOT to take any action on our own. Eventually it stopped. Had I been in a more rural location they would have been disabled by some 31/2" OO steel shot as they were frequently well within range.

I wonder if you could see structure and schools of bait fish along shore with a drone on a calm day?

 

[snow2]

If that drone or drones were to "accidently" go down on your property, and you had No Trespassing signs up, could they enter your property to retrieve it? I wouldn't think they could, but then you are at risk of stealing property lost, mislaid or delivered by mistake. Be a damn shame if you were working on your septic tank and that drone went in. What are the odds? Same as a hole in one I guess.
They are coming out with a lot of anti drone technology like lasers and signal jammers. Guessing if the drone owner was questioned it would be "Wasn't my drone." So the person suffering should not be afraid to lie either. Sink that damn thing to the bottom of the Missouri, as sneakily as possible, and stick with "What drone?"

Well just like down game on private property, chat with the land owner ...most high end drones have gps and lost drone location,so far none issue for this green pea pilot but is a concern if said drone is out a couple miles,"what if",flat farm country hasn't been a issue for me but ,ya never know.