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ITC Judge Determines Garmin Violated Cease-and-Desist Orders and Recommends Historic $37 Million Fine
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Determination Is the Third Finding in Favor of Navico in Its Legal Disputes with Garmin in the International Trade Commission


EGERSUND, Norway, May 31, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- Navico – the world's largest manufacturer of marine electronics and parent company to the Lowrance®, Simrad® and B&G® brands – announced today that an Enforcement Initial Determination (EID) filed by an International Trade Commission (ITC) Administrative Law Judge on May 25, 2017 finds that Garmin violated the cease-and-desist orders issued in 2015 regarding the importation and sale of products featuring DownVü™ scanning sonar technology. The Judge recommends a $37 million fine for violating the ITC orders. Additional details of the EID are expected to be made public in June.

"For the third time, we have prevailed in our patent disputes with Garmin," said Leif Ottosson, CEO, Navico. "This time, an Administrative Law Judge determined not only that Garmin has infringed Navico's patents but also that there was evidence of bad faith. As far as we know, the recommended fine is the largest ever, so it is clear that the Administrative Law Judge found Garmin's disregard for the cease-and-desist orders particularly troublesome. As we have stated throughout this process, the ruling confirms that Garmin must cease all importations and sales of the offending products in the distribution channels, and failure to do so means that the company continues to violate the ITC orders. Garmin says that they will appeal the ruling, but as with previous appeals we feel confident that we once again will prevail. In any event, Garmin must immediately conform to the ITC's orders, and another appeal doesn't change this fact."


In the newly issued EID, the Administrative Law Judge also determined that Garmin's previously touted "design-around" DownVü solution with a tilted transducer element also infringes upon Navico's sonar technology patents.

In its latest attempt to curb impacted sales of infringing DownVü products, Garmin introduced a new range of products featuring its ClearVü™ sonar technology, which are sold in the U.S. without a down-facing transducer element. The resulting solution compiles data from the side-scanning elements in the transducer to mimic a scanning image beneath the boat. Garmin's attempt to produce downward data from side-scanning beams reduces clarity and range, degrades the appearance of targets, and appears to miss some targets entirely. For anglers depending on their fishfinder to identify fish and structure beneath the boat, this new design is a cause for great concern. For a side-by-side comparison of Garmin's ClearVü technology compared to Navico's patented DownsScan Imaging™, see https://youtu.be/s1ll1q6WHkk.

The International Trade Commission is an independent governmental agency in Washington, DC responsible for addressing patent infringement disputes relating to goods that are manufactured abroad and imported into the United States. Garmin's DownVü and ClearVü products are manufactured and imported from Taiwan.


For more information on the Navico brands, please visit www.lowrance.com, www.simrad-yachting.com, pro.simrad-yachting.com and www.bandg.com. To find out more about the Navico Group of companies, visit www.navico.com.

About Navico: A privately held, international corporation, Navico is currently the world's largest marine electronics company, and is the parent company to leading marine electronics brands: Lowrance, Simrad and B&G. Navico has approximately 1,500 employees globally and distribution in more than 100 countries worldwide. www.navico.com

To view the original version on PR Newswire, visit:http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...mends-historic-37-million-fine-300466235.html


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[Fishmission]

This is going to hurt them a little, geez

 

[huntinforfish]

Wow, very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

 

[shorthairsrus]

Garmin's attempt to produce downward data from side-scanning beams reduces clarity and range, degrades the appearance of targets, and appears to miss some targets entirely. For anglers depending on their fishfinder to identify fish and structure beneath the boat, this new design is a cause for great concern. For a side-by-side comparison of Garmin's ClearVü technology compared to Navico's patented DownsScan Imaging™,

My question for Lowrance --- if garmin lacks that much in clarity, range, appearance and misses -- then why the hell are you spending the big legal fees to sue em. Who is lying??? Looks like i have to look harder at a garmin.

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what did samsung end up paying in the end and did they change anything -- nope --- and later they have a product that burns -- and they still must be selling phones --- everyone wants the overpriced S8.

China -- hello - please send phones over here that work on verizon --- one arm around the back, blindfolded and stand on one leg chiniese phone can out do an S8 -you could buy a phone every six months for the price of a 8

 

[REY_off]

"My question for Lowrance --- if garmin lacks that much in clarity, range, appearance and misses -- then why the hell are you spending the big legal fees to sue em. Who is lying??? Looks like i have to look harder at a garmin. "


Because "Clear Vu" is the transducer without the downward facing element. The ducer that had a downward facing element is the one that got them in trouble, because they basically stole navico/lowrance's design without licensing it from them. That transducer was sold with units label "Down Vu".

They no longer sell units with that ducer, and all the new units are labeled "Clear Vu", but you can still buy the ducer with the down facing element and plug it in and it will work with the new units form what I have read.

I think the lawsuit is so that they change the design and make that disputed ducer obsolete.

 

[eyexer]

I don't think this will change/affect anything.

 

[Fly Carpin]

Judge determines Garmin violated cease and desist. Then recommends $37 million dollar fine. Won't change/affect anything? I've heard of brand loyalty but this is next level

 

[REY_off]

Garmin wins appeal. Judge rules that Navico/Lowrance had an invalid patent because all they did was modify Humminbirds side imaging.

Doesn't sound like the supreme court will hear patent cases either...

http://newsroom.garmin.com/press-release/featured-releases/garmin-prevails-navico-patent-dispute

 

[shorthairsrus]

Lowrance goes out gets in trouble for copying hummingbirds technology and now u want to point a finger at Garmin.

 

[johnr]

I wonder what mr walter thinks?

 

[Fishmission]

Good for Garmin. We need more than two majors in freshwater technology... it'll keep us from getting ripped off. plus they are providing US jobs

 

[Stan's Dad]

The Raymarine units look excellante. Just looking at youtube videos. Garmin downvu appears to be a joke. They just "splice" in the missing spot from the side imaging, no thanks.

 

[Fishmission]

The Raymarine units look excellante. Just looking at youtube videos. Garmin downvu appears to be a joke. They just "splice" in the missing spot from the side imaging, no thanks.

Downvu is messed up - panoptix looks fun though

 

[eyexer]

My downvu works great.

 

[REY_off]

The Raymarine units look excellante. Just looking at youtube videos. Garmin downvu appears to be a joke. They just "splice" in the missing spot from the side imaging, no thanks.

Do you even bother to read?

DownVu is not "spliced in" sonar. DownVu uses a downward facing transducer and is essentially the same as "Downscan Imaging" from Lowrance.

"ClearVu" is/was Garmins work around technology during this disputed patent infringement. What they did was use software to take what the "SideVu" was picking up and super impose it onto a vertical water column type picture.

Now that they have won this litigation, I'm assuming they will go back to using/selling "DownVu".

Panoptix looks to be more useful than Lowrance's 3D Structure Scan IMO. I'm a Lowrance user, but when I purchase electronics in the future, Garmin will get a very hard look.

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This. I need this.

I see this as the future for ice fishing also.

 

[Stan's Dad]

Do you even bother to read?

DownVu is not "spliced in" sonar. DownVu uses a downward facing transducer and is essentially the same as "Downscan Imaging" from Lowrance.

"ClearVu" is/was Garmins work around technology during this disputed patent infringement. What they did was use software to take what the "SideVu" was picking up and super impose it onto a vertical water column type picture.

Now that they have won this litigation, I'm assuming they will go back to using/selling "DownVu".

Panoptix looks to be far better than Lowrance's 3D Structure Scan. I'm a Lowrance user, but when I purchase electronics in the future, Garmin will get a very hard look.

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This. I need this.

I see this as the future for ice fishing also.

ClearVu is what i meant. Yes, i enjoy reading very much