Grizzly's and Lead shot



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Rules can be changed.
this verbiage right here will make that extremely tough. 20 years ago lead would have been a huge but with todays ammo its really not the advantage it used to be and not much cheaper.

The bill makes exceptions for specified existing regulations, and where those agencies determine that a decline in wildlife population at a specific federal land or water is primarily caused by the use of lead in ammunition or tackle.
 


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One problem with lead is that eagles feed on wounded waterfowl…
Eagles shouldn't be endangered nowadays anyway. There's plenty. I doubt many will suffer any ill affect from lead shot
 

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Im not saying i agree with it. Im saying with the studies and rules in place i dont think they die on that hill to get this bill to pass
 

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Well my take after years of research,my take from the beginning as I'm old enough to remember killing my share of waterfowl with lead bullets... ducks geese like chickens are attracted to shiny objects as they feed.... the feds imposed lead shot ban over water in the beginning years starting in 1986 as migrating waterfowl feed in sloughs and shallow lakes injesting lead shot as they feed eventually diing a slow death from lead poisoning not as wounded birds but lead shot in the gizzard,sure waterfowl and upland birds can pickup lead shot in fields but after 100's of cleaning upland birds I never came across shot pellets in gizzards or stomachs during cleaning. The feds claim and claimed birds of prey migrate at the same time picking up slowly diing waterfowl to weak to escape hence federally protected birds of prey including eagles, Hawks and owls.

Hated steel shot since day one,cripples,many wounded birds that bled out hours later from steel shot slicing like razor blades missing the vitals head or wing steel didn't have the kinetic energy to make clean kills beyond 40 to 50 yds unless we up'd shot size which results in less pellet payload and more cripples. So here we are, in mn and other states we can still use lead on private land and public habitat hunting land but not waterfowl production area's ( usually water public hunting land).

Canada same, I hunted the last year lead shot was allowed for waterfowl... only over dry land only that year haven't been back to Canada since even tho miss the great waterfowl hunting experience one has hunting in Canada western states offer great hunting opportunities as well,timing is everything. Today shotgun ammunition (steel shot) has come along way in improved quality shotgun ammunition plus alternative non toxic ammo is available with similar results of lead like the old days.
 


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It was never about lead, it was about the DDT they were spraying all over the country..
 

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I've hunted around goose pits where you could literally sift shot from the dirt around it. There is some concentration issues with waterfowl hunting and head shot. I also agree with Kurt heat the effectiveness of steel shot today is very good.

I still shoot lead but see no problem with non toxic ammo. Unlikely that this passes IMO.
 

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I don't remember what the instrument was called, but it was about the size of a large microwave and when you put a live duck in it and pushed the botton you could see any metal in the bird. Back in the early 1980s we spent a week in Stutsman County looking at canvasbacks we captured night lighting ( about 200 birds). This was a couple weeks before the season opened. Three percent of young canvasback had invested lead shot which is a death sentence. Interestingly 33 percent of adults had shot somewhere in their body. Injested shot was slightly higher in adults. The percentage data from Stutsman County was better than the thousands of birds looked at nationally.
 


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Shot lead for only a couple years where it was still legal, after the mandate. Had 1 vest for steel shot and 1 for lead. Switched totally to steel because of the bullshit. Lead definitely had more kill power.
 

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One problem with lead is that eagles feed on wounded waterfowl…
This is why it went into effect years ago my friend is a federal game warden it took toll on the Eagles since they are making good come back. The main reason is eagles hang out by water where waterfowl are most prominent . Upland game not so much is study they did. I am all good either way faster steel loads have been good been doing it awhile now. Yes it is pain buying both I am stocked up either way just don't get caught with few lead shells by accident very expensive.
 

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I was still fairly young when the ban on lead shot came out for waterfowl hunting and on USFWS lands/easements. Like pretty much everyone, I didn't like the extra complicator in life that it is.

After quite a few years and learning a bit, I understand the need for the ban. We all tend to think of how we hunt and form opinions on that. Waterfowling out on the east coast is quite a bit different. Where my buddy is from in North Carolina, there are popular places where you have to reserve a blind on public waters to hunt for half a day...some other hunter/group will be there immediately upon the expiration of your reserved time to finish out the day. In these places the need for steel is far more apparent as they are shooting 7 days a week from legal start to the end of the day.

A couple years ago the trap range up north of Bismarck had a crew come in and sift through the soil in the down range area and there were huge bags of shot contaminated soil taken away. Then again, as the youth trap season started, I remember pallets of ammo distributed to the kids at the beginning of the season.

Needless to say, while I am still not as keen on steel ammo, after years of reading on the topic...I at least understand the need for it.
 


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