Habitat Hunting Access Summit

[bravo]

I’m not as well versed in the disease as some, but a quick google from multiple sources shows that it takes on average 15 months to 2 years to manifest and show outward signs of infection. If that’s the case then I’d say it wouldn’t take long for deer numbers to drop since breeding would be significantly slowed should it become widespread. My brother hunts Saskatchewan every other year since the early 00’s and said the numbers and average size have definitely gone downhill where it’s prevalent.

Being told that they disagree with where you are coming from isn’t the same as being told your an idiot or being disrespectful. The GF does come off a bit holier than thou in the advisory meetings. But when guys like Dusty show up to each one and try to holler them down, claim that deer growers could solve it in a day (exaggerating) with releasing tame but genetically superior deer, or by aerial spraying copper over the landscape. Or farmers from Antler wanting to take complete control away from the GF because they know the deer better and will just feed them back to health. That is also hurting the cause.

I think that limited baiting (small amounts in a small window of season) and their strategy of opening units after X amount of time negative would make everyone happy. Except the ones who will never be happy.

 

[Trip McNeely]

Listen to how proponents speak. Some have said they are “over qualified”. Most won’t accept that people who “don’t understand virology” cant be smart enough to understand. They have a giant sense of grandiose ability and there only defense of any criticism of the issue at hand is to discredit any opposition….. how the hell is that not draconian in nature?

 

[Fritz the Cat]

2024 Habitat and Hunting Access Summit​

Join us for the North Dakota Habitat and Hunting Access Summit Tuesday, December 17 from 4:30 p.m. – 8:30 p.m. at the Bismarck State College National Energy Center of Excellence (map).

Wildlife and fish require healthy habitats throughout their lifecycles in order to thrive.

Habitat loss across North Dakota is impacting both game and nongame populations.

These impacts trickle down, reducing the number of hunting licenses available and the quality of hunting and fishing experiences, threatening North Dakota's long standing traditions of hunting and fishing.

With 93% of North Dakota's land held in private ownership, access for hunting and fishing has also become a challenge.

The North Dakota Habitat Summit will address both these issues with presentations from state biologists and panel discussions that invite audience participation to look for productive ways forward.

Summit presentations will cover:

• the economic impacts of hunting and fishing in North Dakota,
• habitat changes,
• land access for hunting and fishing,
• the state of wildlife populations in North Dakota, and
• game management.

Attendees are encouraged to submit questions for the panel discussions prior to the summit (questions may be submitted when registering to attend the summit).

gf.nd.gov/habitat-hunting-access-summit

I would encourage people to attend December 17th. Questions from the public should be out loud from the floor. Not anonymously penned.

Around 2008 there was an Outdoor Writers Association annual in Bismarck. Valerius Geist was speaking in one forum. Sat right behind him. Before the presentation he showed a card to a GNF fellow. It said, "should people own wildlife?"

During his presentation he handed out cards for attendees to write down questions and at the end pass them forward.

Very first question, "should people own wildlife?" Such a fraud. The audience didn't seem interested, so he moved on to real questions.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Being told that they disagree with where you are coming from isn’t the same as being told your an idiot or being disrespectful. The GF does come off a bit holier than thou in the advisory meetings. But when guys like Dusty show up to each one and try to holler them down, claim that deer growers could solve it in a day (exaggerating) with releasing tame but genetically superior deer, or by aerial spraying copper over the landscape. Or farmers from Antler wanting to take complete control away from the GF because they know the deer better and will just feed them back to health. That is also hurting the cause.

I think that limited baiting (small amounts in a small window of season) and their strategy of opening units after X amount of time negative would make everyone happy. Except the ones who will never be happy.

Oklahoma passed a Bill supporting deer growers working on genomes and DNA. Kind of like the scrapie sheep program breeding for a higher condon level.

Sheep producers only bred with rams above 171 condon. I am hearing the federal scrapie program has been defunded because they bred scrapie out.

It works in a captive environment but will not work in the wild. Oklahoma believes this can be achieved and then release bucks into the wild.

Dusty does not agree with releasing bucks into the wild. When the Bill passed in Oklahoma, he and I visited about it.

bravo, like many things you claim, this is false.

 

[Trip McNeely]

Oklahoma passed a Bill supporting deer growers working on genomes and DNA. Kind of like the scrapie sheep program breeding for a higher condon level.

Sheep producers only bred with rams above 171 condon. I am hearing the federal scrapie program has been defunded because they bred scrapie out.

It works in a captive environment but will not work in the wild. Oklahoma believes this can be achieved and then release bucks into the wild.

Dusty does not agree with releasing bucks into the wild. When the Bill passed in Oklahoma, he and I visited about it.

bravo, like many things you claim, this is false.

Im in favor of this so long as you Fritz breed and release 45-220” bucks both whitetail and muley to be released statewide for herd gene therapy at areas I pre-determine . I have a spot in mind where if you wound one you can push the bush to find it

 

[PrairieGhost]

Listen to how proponents speak. Some have said they are “over qualified”. Most won’t accept that people who “don’t understand virology” cant be smart enough to understand. They have a giant sense of grandiose ability and there only defense of any criticism of the issue at hand is to discredit any opposition….. how the hell is that not draconian in nature?

Yes there is a lot of arrogance in people. Although I was a biologist I also have a secondary teaching degree. From that education I came away with the attitude that education does not equal intelligence. Some educated people are arrogant, but so are some very dumb people. Intelligence is an innate ability while education is simply training whether training and intelligent person or a not to intelligent person. Realizing this is simply facing reality and being respectful of everyone.

Since when has government compromise ever benefited the people?

That depends on if you see the glass half full or half empty. As is the gov wants to ban baiting. If we can get them to see that very small bait piles attract small numbers of deer that are already in close contact it would preserve baiting for individuals while still accomplishing 99% of what they want which is a win win. We can learn to work together or we can all loose.

Unfortunately the Biden/Fauchi distrust has spilled into all aspects of our society. The chaos may be seen by them as a win.

 

[Trip McNeely]

Yes there is a lot of arrogance in people. Although I was a biologist I also have a secondary teaching degree. From that education I came away with the attitude that education does not equal intelligence. Some educated people are arrogant, but so are some very dumb people. Intelligence is an innate ability while education is simply training whether training and intelligent person or a not to intelligent person. Realizing this is simply facing reality and being respectful of everyone.


That depends on if you see the glass half full or half empty. As is the gov wants to ban baiting. If we can get them to see that very small bait piles attract small numbers of deer that are already in close contact it would preserve baiting for individuals while still accomplishing 99% of what they want which is a win win. We can learn to work together or we can all loose.

It’s what they tell you they want….. for now. Incremental is the key word with government. I won’t sit here and say i don’t believe cwd isnt a real thing. Im not that naive. But Im old enough to understand if the salesman has to push this hard to sell something there’s something wrong with the product or something in it for them. Good ideas will sell themselves Because logically it’s a good idea…… so why the enormous amount of energy and money to sell this?

 

[bravo]

Oklahoma passed a Bill supporting deer growers working on genomes and DNA. Kind of like the scrapie sheep program breeding for a higher condon level.

Sheep producers only bred with rams above 171 condon. I am hearing the federal scrapie program has been defunded because they bred scrapie out.

It works in a captive environment but will not work in the wild. Oklahoma believes this can be achieved and then release bucks into the wild.

Dusty does not agree with releasing bucks into the wild. When the Bill passed in Oklahoma, he and I visited about it.

bravo, like many things you claim, this is false.

Maybe it wasn’t him, but one of the others on his Facebook page. I know he shares posts from Apple Creek Whitetails and that is their mission to release resistant deer into the wild. I’m not going to take the time to find posts to argue about it. Point still stands.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

A bunch.

We are still waiting for that bunch of pictures of a prion.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Maybe it wasn’t him, but one of the others on his Facebook page. I know he shares posts from Apple Creek Whitetails and that is their mission to release resistant deer into the wild. I’m not going to take the time to find posts to argue about it. Point still stands.

Apple Creek Whitetails is in Wisconsin. They promote humic acid.

bravo makes another false claim.

 

[bravo]

Apple Creek Whitetails is in Wisconsin. They promote humic acid.

bravo makes another false claim.

Direct quote from Joh Pieper, operations manager for Apple creek whitetails Wisconsin in support of HB 1151, “Hopefully, this will lead to being able to collar, destroy the pedicles of the bucks, and to get them into the wild to breed the resistance. All to speed up Mother Nature.”

Fritz is wrong again.

 

[KDM]

Greetings Boys!! Haven't been on here all summer due to protracted and exhausting election "exuberence" and I see things are still status quo. Whew...reading this thread from start to now...WOW. Some things just don't change. Sticking to the OP, habitat is dwindling and hunters are competing for less and less each year. That is an undeniable fact. The popular options to alleviate this pressure seem to be A: increase the amount of habitat on public lands; B: Increase access to the private lands that still have good habitat; or C: restrict the number of non-resident hunters. Starting with option A, I think the reality of increasing habitat on public lands will only cause more hunters to use those lands having improved habitat, resulting in even more hunter competition. Thereby exacerbating the problem. Option B IMO would require something like the block management program of MT. Humans tend to be inconsiderate of anything that isn't theirs so it's not unreasonable to compensate landowners for the poor behavior and degredation/damage to land that seems to be omnipotent in every human grouping, including sportsmen. Also, I think it's important for hunters to note that landowners giving access to other hunters means that they are giving up their own quality of hunting for the public's benefit. Should they be compensated...or not? Option C is the most difficult cost/benefit option IMO. Does the loss of revenue to the local businesses from nonresidents offset the benefits of improved hunting for residents? IDK. Is having the local cafe in town where one goes to get coffee in the morning or ice cream for the kids in the afternoon the rest of year besides the fall worth it? Only those who go to the cafe can say. Additionally, the assumption is that with fewer non-residents there will be less competion. I don't necessarily think that is the case. There are many sportsmen that have stated that they quit hunting due to competion. Would they pick it back up if fewer non-residents were allowed in? If they do resume hunting, wouldn't the level of competion for good hunting land then remain the same, but with less revenue for businesses? IDK. Unfortunately, it always seems to boil down to the benjamins. In my mind I would rank the Options as B, C, then A, but opinions are like....well you know.

 

[bravo]

Please stick around KDM.


Anyway to try get it back on track. I sincerely hope the CWD fight can take a back seat on this one.

 

[Trip McNeely]

Direct quote from Joh Pieper, operations manager for Apple creek whitetails Wisconsin in support of HB 1151, “Hopefully, this will lead to being able to collar, destroy the pedicles of the bucks, and to get them into the wild to breed the resistance. All to speed up Mother Nature.”

Fritz is wrong again.

Or……. We can just let nature take its course and save hundreds of millions if not billions of taxpayer dollars….. which is the main point most in opposition have…..well they certainly don’t want that as no one will be able to walk away with their bags of free cash. They are mad the little folks figured out the game. It’s that simple.

 

[KDM]

I guess I can't spell competition today. SMH!!!

 

[PrairieGhost]

I would say we need one good group of scientists studying CWD, but we don't need to fund 20 different groups. One group is prudent use of money, many groups is only slopping the hogs. If you want no studies you are not really concerned about the resource or you makeing a profit today and screw tomorrow.
Back to access the plots was an ok program, but it's a waste of money when black tilled land is enrolled because the landowner is a legislator or County Commissioner.

 

[Obi-Wan]

How in the heck did the deer population survive for thousands of years without the NDGF, or the "scientists"?

Guess what, God will make more deer, the problem will, as always solve itself.

Tell that to all these animals that once roamed in ND

• 1. Plioplatecarpus The first Plioplatecarpus fossil was discovered in Europe in 1882. ...
• 2. Triceratops Triceratops was an herbivorous ceratopsid dinosaur that lived during the Late Cretaceous period. ...
• 3. Champsosaurus Champsosaurus is an extinct crocodile-like creature that lived during the Late Cretaceous and early Paleogene periods. ...
• 4. Woolly Mammoth ...
• 5. The American Mastodon ...
• 6. Megalonyx ...
• 7. Megacerops ...
• 8. Hesperornis ..

 

[Obi-Wan]

I would say we need one good group of scientists studying CWD, but we don't need to fund 20 different groups. One group is prudent use of money, many groups is only slopping the hogs. If you want no studies you are not really concerned about the resource or you makeing a profit today and screw tomorrow.
Back to access the plots was an ok program, but it's a waste of money when black tilled land is enrolled because the landowner is a legislator or County Commissioner.

The "one good group " study would only be as good as that groups pre-determined outlook they are looking for.

 

[bravo]

Tell that to all these animals that once roamed in ND

• 1. Plioplatecarpus The first Plioplatecarpus fossil was discovered in Europe in 1882. ...
• 2. Triceratops Triceratops was an herbivorous ceratopsid dinosaur that lived during the Late Cretaceous period. ...
• 3. Champsosaurus Champsosaurus is an extinct crocodile-like creature that lived during the Late Cretaceous and early Paleogene periods. ...
• 4. Woolly Mammoth ...
• 5. The American Mastodon ...
• 6. Megalonyx ...
• 7. Megacerops ...
• 8. Hesperornis ..

Griz, swift fox, black-footed ferret, gray wolf, caribou, bison.

Elk and bighorns wouldn’t be here without man stepping in.

 

[BrockW]

I have never hunted over bait. Bait hasnt been allowed in SD for decades. So we should not have cwd if bait is the causation

I’ve never seen one assertion from anyone that baiting is the “cause” of CWD.

What we know to be fact, is that it is horizontally transmitted and that we can find infectious prions in mineral licks, bait/feed piles, and on feeders where positive/infected deer eat. We know that when we put uninfected deer in with other infected deer, or make them eat out of troughs or off the ground where infected deer also eat, the disease spreads to the uninfected animals. The more they come into contact with those infectious materials/sites, the more deer become positive.

So, the goal with removing baiting from the landscape is removing specific concentration points where deer are literally eating off the same plate, where they are pissing and shitting and depositing saliva into a small focused area, contaminating the feed/feeder, soil, etc and where they keep coming back to over and over and over again to lick/eat.

None of that is a guess.