Helping the deer herd

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Producers have the equipment and quantity that would bring the total cost to plant (and leave standing) down. So that is the right direction, but I would take it a step further and specific locations need to be targeted. Deer herd up where there's cover and habitat. Deer might travel for miles just to get to that wintering ground. What good would a bean field be that 3-5 miles from any of these wintering herds locations?

What about the farmer/rancher that always goes a step above the rest and has the winter thermal cover, plants the food plots, plants the browse, and basically manages his land for deer. Most of the time hunters swear about these set ups because they posts the land and wont allow any outside access. So you are stuck watching all the deer in the township frolic and browse out in the open with no care in the world. Would people be ok with giving these set ups money from public funds? Curious as to where most stand on this.


The last part is kinda us. Don;t want any payment nor thanks just would be nice if people think before they post stuff on sites like this.

We only post about half the land we could and it is just mostly around home. (Don;lt like people I don;t know, even some I do know, in our back yard with high powered rifles) I have three boys a daughter a Dad (this year a Mom) and me that loves to hunt rifle and bow for me and the kids. Have a few friends and relatives that also hunt these few quarters around home. We put a lot of work into creating a place where deer and birds can thrive and we like shooting good bucks and managing does if we can. Have had 7 different people coming in shooting does out of a heated elevated stand after rifle season and would like more.

Anyone want to drive up and see how many deer are in the CRP left around here? Single tree rows? Save your gas, it is none.

Left 10 acres of corn standing for the birds and deer. Left a bunch of cat tail sloughs we could have worked up. Kids raise and release a couple hundred pheasants each year. What we combined ran about 130 bushel so roughly $2500 left out there (cost about that to grow it) . Half is drifted in with snow above the cobs maybe be there for spring time.

We are taking out a couple alfalfa and forage barley bales every week or so to try and keep them out of the hay yard. After this last 24 inches they are piled in there. Net wrap helps on the damage but they are still eating on the ends and are now out eating right with the cattle when we take feed out.

There is roughly 400 deer coming into our place. We have followed tracks from 10 miles down the road to our place. Coyotes follow the deer. Have shot 10 coyotes already just doing chores.

Have found 7 dead deer already.

We have our ground corn in a "bin" we built out of bales stacked on end two they are climbing over the bales. We have not found a way to keep them out of the silage pile.

By the time spring rolls around we will have at least $5000 into keeping what deer we can alive and keeping them out of our feed supplies. Add in acres of sloughs we don;t farm and tree rows we plant we invest a bit in wildlife. They have decimated most of the green ash and cotton woods in a newer 3/4 mile long 5 row tree row eating them down to the ground when they were first growing. We replaced them by hand one year only to have the same thing happen two years latter in a tough winter.

Deer migrate to where there is feed and shelter. That is most often ranch yards. We have a large grove roughly 200 yards by 100 yards 1 3/4miles away. A regular deer haven in the summer and fall. There is a pasture that was not grazed after June 15 (tons of regrowth grass) there with tons of russian olive thickets beside it. There are no deer left there.

Mother nature has a way of dealing with things. She usually wins if she wants. Deer numbers will grow and they will drop and stockpiling numbers doesn;t work for long. A few years of easy winters sure......then along comes one like this and too many deer are just that, too many deer and Ma Nature does her sort.

And the old "go into winter with more deer equals coming out with more" doesn;t work in these winters cause more deer eat the avalible food sooner and there is nothing left come the long cold spring months and we have watched more deer die in March than Jan.

So ya CRP is good fawning habitat to create more deer. Single tree rows provide cover for wildlife in the warm months, not now. But Old Man winter works with Ma Nature to level the field.

Still looking for people to shoot does with their bow tags.
 
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Great ideals and thoughts.
Been planting food plots and feeding deer year around to various degrees since late 90s. Often wonder if at times I might be doing more damage than good but I know it has been good for me. My bow these last few years has shot way more and bigger deer than my rifle ever seen in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s. And right now it is a bitch getting to the sites with more feed but a track side by side does go through all. It just takes a few trips. Need to be better prepare next year. (and I do not own the side by side but one is letting me use it in view of why I am using it, just make sure it is full of gas when I return)

However it always seems to come to monies. I have worked with farmers who really have little interest in deer or hunting. But they have spots to work with. A little conversation on my part, a little nudge by me and it has been a surprise what they are willing to let one do for the deer and I then get my reward of some nice bucks to watch and maybe harvest. One after a couple of years let me put 5 acres of corn/soybeans in on his tillable land rent free. Working together without needing monies for the rewards. Just wish more would do this by first going out and visiting with some of the farmers/ranchers in the area. You do not need to own the land to put plots up.

My father planted about 3 acres of evergreens in the 50s about every four feet apart. He made sure every tree lived. Today when you go inside those trees there is no wind, little snow and deer as one said are about one for every tree in the storm.
For me I now have about all I can handled until I retire and then do have a few more farmers I plan to visit with. db

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Yes gst it does not come easy without funds being spent.
But as you know the rewards are great and there are those who will mean mouth you for what you do. They are the ones that sit on their ass but expect what I have to come to them.
Deer love the trees so one keeps replanting or lining trees with woven wire. One site the snow is up to the cobs and I believe the deer have left that spot as they do every late winter. But in the spring they will clean it up and maybe next winter will not be so bad and they will stay.
I will keep at it; learn a lot and the rewards are just to great to stop. db
 

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The deer will be fine, for thousands.... millions of years the deer have been roaming the plains, they will continue long after us brave white hunters are long gone.

Put your extra time and effort into the human fund.
 

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John I understand but I think us humans have already the time and the resources to take care of ourselves.
Deer have been around for a long time but when I grew up in my area there were no whitetail deer. They started showing up with the soil bank days and then when flowers came in the 70s they became a lot more. Now they have learn to live in that area. Land that my father used to hay is now all in cattails thanks to the rains that started in the 90s and that has become a huge habitit for the deer.
So I have try to do my part for humanity even though a lot just seem to keep putting their hand out.
So I guess my extra time will go to the wildlife as I get my thank you from them versus the people. db
 
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The last part is kinda us. Don;t want any payment nor thanks just would be nice if people think before they post stuff on sites like this.

Some good info and experience there. Where are you located? What type of cover is holding the 400 deer you have right now? Are they in that cover because its the closest to the food source or are they there because it provides them the best shelter?
 


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Whatever your stance is on feeding deer, the landowners that i know that feed these deer throughout bad winters always have a large herd of deer. Its calories in calories out.
 

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So does anyone else think the game and fish needs to start a feeding program where they get together with local wildlife clubs and talk to some farmers and ranchers and see if they would move some snow out to the fields where they are herding up and the game and fish and wildlife clubs could buy feed and maybe some haybales to help the deer make it through. Or am I off my rocker for thinking like this? After this last storm deer and pheasants are going to have a tough time making the winter especially when it's this bad this early.


Sure would make it hard for the NDGF to still have an anti-baiting stance on the belief that baiting spreads disease. I know in the past the NDGF did bait deer with oats/etc. away from hay yards. I hunt a guys' place south of Mandan where the NDGF used baiting to keep the deer off his bales.... and at the same time, they were lobbying to ban baiting.

We need better habitat. Multi-row tree plantings for winter habitat and bring back CRP. The problem is, we have these hard winters and then we have a lack of habitat to aid in the deer and pheasants recovering. It is going to be a very bad winter for the wildlife...
 

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"blocks" is the key word. any block of decent habitat and food will do. unless its a horrible winter with a ton of snow (like this winter already i guess), normally the entire block won't fill in. the upwind side will be full and the downwind side not so much. they don't have to be huge blocks. just something bigger than your typical width of a 1-5 row tree belt. i think that's why you always see them able to find cover in farm yards. they are a decent size "block" of about 10-40 acres. those yards like GSTs do wonders for game in winters like this. we hunted a friends family's place for pheasants out west this year. he had a video from a long time ago. shot on a camcorder and later preserved on a DVD. the video was of their farmstead and they literally had thousands of pheasants in that yard that winter. the estimate was upwards of 5,000
 

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I have about 8 acres of prairie grass. Thought it would be decent shelter and possibly browse on. After the first snow fall and wind, it is laying down. No cover and not even sure if deer can get too it under the ice shit we got. Planning on till most of it up and planting a larger food plot. Have planted 150ish evergreens on the edge, but the bucks have decided 3-4 ft ones are great rubbing sticks...... Have been looking for something that can be broadcast and gets 6-8 ft tall, but haven't found it yet.
look into sudan grass, that grows fast and tall broadcast it like any grass seed, i have been looking into it and may be doing some plantings of it in opening of trees near my bedding areas.
 

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look into sudan grass, that grows fast and tall broadcast it like any grass seed, i have been looking into it and may be doing some plantings of it in opening of trees near my bedding areas.

I have read a few articles and opinions on Sudan Grass and from those I gather it really shouldn't be put in as a food plot targeted for deer. The seeds would probably help the birds in the winter though. From a deer management stand point it seems like it would fall under the screening category and fawning habitat. Sounds like it will fall over in winter and deer prefer not to eat it at any stage. Just what I read and opinions of others so take it for what it is.
 


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Some good info and experience there. Where are you located? What type of cover is holding the 400 deer you have right now? Are they in that cover because its the closest to the food source or are they there because it provides them the best shelter?


North of Minot. We have a lot of trees around our yard but actually unless it is really blowing most of the deer are staying out in the corn yet. A few are in the cat tails but they are filling up now. What surprises me is that they are still out digging for soy beans.

They must be awfully good nutrition for deer. I think they have to do with the bigger horns we have been seeing as well. of course the snow is less as there is no stubble but we still have probably a foot on the open most places.

But come evening in they come. Last nite heading home we only have a narrow path plowed out on Mom and Dads long drive way where our cows are counted over 120 deer in the drive way. Snow is 5 foot high on the sides yet so they just turned and went in front of me. They didn;'t go 30 yards out into the field at the end of the driveway and just stood there while I turned into ours.

Got a guy, his uncle and his nephew sitting now, hopefully they can whack some.

One of the good bucks we let go for next year 6x6 showed up with a broken leg so got him with the bow the other evening. another good one we let go, 5x4 is laying dead out in the trees with the magpies and ravens feeding on him. Sucks.

Wondering what others saw, the three bucks we shot 2 sons and Dad's had NO fat on them this fall. Usually with the crops up here peas, soybeans, corn, alfalfa ect....they have lots of back fat. This year not hardly any. Heard a few other people say that as well. I was spouting off telling the boys maybe it was going to be an easy winter.................

Found 5 sheds so far, the bigger bucks are dropping.
 

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I have read a few articles and opinions on Sudan Grass and from those I gather it really shouldn't be put in as a food plot targeted for deer. The seeds would probably help the birds in the winter though. From a deer management stand point it seems like it would fall under the screening category and fawning habitat. Sounds like it will fall over in winter and deer prefer not to eat it at any stage. Just what I read and opinions of others so take it for what it is.
i would be using it to enhance bedding areas not for food plot areas, did it say it fell over from the snow or just that it dies and falls over? if thats the case its not what im looking for, but where i would be planting it would be in opening in the middle of trees and is decently protected for winds and heavy snow
 


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i would be using it to enhance bedding areas not for food plot areas, did it say it fell over from the snow or just that it dies and falls over? if thats the case its not what im looking for, but where i would be planting it would be in opening in the middle of trees and is decently protected for winds and heavy snow

It seemed like your use would be for bedding reasons, but Yoby mentioned he was looking to plant a food plot.

Anyway, sounded like the Sudan Grass wasn't very strong after it dies and gets hit with wind and snow. I have seen many recommendations for Cave in Rock Switchgrass as the go to for deer bedding and fawning habitat. They claim it will bend over under a snow load but will bounce back up after the snow load falls to the ground or melts off. Something worth checking out anyway.
 

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It seemed like your use would be for bedding reasons, but Yoby mentioned he was looking to plant a food plot.

Anyway, sounded like the Sudan Grass wasn't very strong after it dies and gets hit with wind and snow. I have seen many recommendations for Cave in Rock Switchgrass as the go to for deer bedding and fawning habitat. They claim it will bend over under a snow load but will bounce back up after the snow load falls to the ground or melts off. Something worth checking out anyway.
awesome, yes i will look into that! Thank you!
 

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Caragana, Dogwood, Sumac, Willows, and the like provide strong enough cover to both stop snow AND provide browse. Though very little can stand up to these DAMNABLE ice storms!! GRRRR!!!! Dogwood grows pretty good on my place as does caragana. Have both of those already so that's why I going to try to get some willows going this spring. Evergreens of just about any kind are GREAT thermal cover for just about anything out there. Including predators unfortunately, but you have to take the good with the bad. Most of the roosters I've taken recently have full crops so at least they are finding food. Hope it lasts.
 

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Fill a bunch of hamster watering devices full of Dr. McGillcuddy's and place them on trees here and there. They nip a little here and there and it keeps them warm.
 

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KDM brings up a good point with the cover that also provides browse. Each parcel will be different, but I think variety is key. Especially in this region when we have 4 full seasons. If I had 20ac I was tying to manage I don't think I would have much more the 1-3ac in a switch grass and that would probably only if I felt I needed some really thick cover to help out with fawn depredation. It would also depend on the neighboring properties and what they have to offer the local deer population. Hopefully someday Ill have a chunk of dirt I can actually practice all of the stuff I just read about.
 


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