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Message: <blockquote data-quote="snow" data-source="post: 270724" data-attributes="member: 1056"><p>Agreed,my goto loads back in the 70's to mid 80's for waterfowl and late season pheasants federal #4 copper plated 17/8th oz lead same in goose loads #2 n BB's and some copper plated#4buck which i still use for yotes and other critters wilst hunting upland birds in 1/7/8th ounce lead,today we see less pellet payload resulting in shot speed alot of the really fast shotshells only pack 11/8th ounce loads and less recoil,recoil felt is due to shot pay load some of the 12ga 3.5 ammo has 13/4oz of shot same as 10ga only the smaller diamter 12 barrel from forcing cone to muzzel results in a shoulder mule kick in MOP.</p></blockquote><p></p>

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