Prairie pot holes

[lunkerslayer]

https://www.agweb.com/news/business...deral-government-demands-right-drain-cropland

 

[1bigfokker]

Who wants 60-70 acres of Petersons water?

 

[lunkerslayer]

What i dont understand why Canada hasnt brought a case before a federal judges in regards to all that runoff full of salt and chemicals. There was a reason back in the 60s why the federal government made this lease agreement in the first place is because farmers where draining every pot hole. The mauve coulee was dug out with big pull behind scrapers so deep a person could only see the stack from the tractor.

 

[zoops]

Who needs ducks, deer and upland birds?!?! Drain em all so I can buy a vacation home in AZ!!!

 

[Lycanthrope]

if hes planting where he knows water accumulates thats a risk hes taking. Farmers know their fields and where water tends to sit for a while after rains.

 

[NDSportsman]

if hes planting where he knows water accumulates thats a risk hes taking. Farmers know their fields and where water tends to sit for a while after rains.

The problem is low spots that just puddle after a rain but dry up after a couple weeks. It's just enough to drowned out crops but isn't a wetland. Those are the spots ideal for tiling and productive farmland. If the FWS would work with these landowners instead of fighting them tooth and nail for every damn inch it would go a long way to improving relations. Tile would more then likely benefit those small wetland areas they are trying to protect.

 

[dblkluk]

if hes planting where he knows water accumulates thats a risk hes taking. Farmers know their fields and where water tends to sit for a while after rains.

He also purchased land tha was in a conservation easement. That 100% on him. But hey lets blame someone else !!

 

[1bigfokker]

The problem is low spots that just puddle after a rain but dry up after a couple weeks. It's just enough to drowned out crops but isn't a wetland. Those are the spots ideal for tiling and productive farmland. If the FWS would work with these landowners instead of fighting them tooth and nail for every damn inch it would go a long way to improving relations. Tile would more then likely benefit those small wetland areas they are trying to protect.

Tile in any wetland will not benefit any area they are trying to protect. Think about it.

 

[Davy Crockett]

Tile in any wetland will not benefit any area they are trying to protect. Think about it.

I think tile can improve certain wetlands , these look like puddles that get just wet enough to kill a crop but dry up can only grow mosquitoes , tile it to a real wetland and it improves it. Historic pictures are the only way to tell and if this case ends up in court they will make or break the lawsuit. I'm surprised farmers arn't suing each others over drain tile.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Guy near bismarck recently drained a pond on his property, according to the city he didnt need any permit or permission to do it, but it wasnt just a pothole, this spot held significant amounts of water in some years and he also wrecked the road where he dumped his drain into the ditch next to apple creek road. Its quite obvious but the city is going to fix it at taxpayers expense...

before

after

 

[dblkluk]

I think tile can improve certain wetlands , these look like puddles that get just wet enough to kill a crop but dry up can only grow mosquitoes , tile it to a real wetland and it improves it. Historic pictures are the only way to tell and if this case ends up in court they will make or break the lawsuit. I'm surprised farmers arn't suing each others over drain tile.

temporary wetlands ("puddles") are some of the most important ones for waterfowl and alot of other wildlife

 

[NDSportsman]

Tile in any wetland will not benefit any area they are trying to protect. Think about it.

You don't tile a wetland. The tile would actually move temporary water to the wetlands that are there that they are trying to protect. A wet spot in a field for a week is not a wetland and does not provide any benefit to what they are trying to accomplish here.

 

[NDSportsman]

temporary wetlands ("puddles") are some of the most important ones for waterfowl and alot of other wildlife

No a puddle that's there a week is not a huge benefit to anything.

 

[Davy Crockett]

temporary wetlands ("puddles") are some of the most important ones for waterfowl and alot of other wildlife

I get that , I guess I was thing along the same lines as NDSportsman where they farm around them and come back later to reseed the low spots.

 

[ndlongshot]

Guy near bismarck recently drained a pond on his property, according to the city he didnt need any permit or permission to do it, but it wasnt just a pothole, this spot held significant amounts of water in some years and he also wrecked the road where he dumped his drain into the ditch next to apple creek road. Its quite obvious but the city is going to fix it at taxpayers expense...

before

after

He drained the wetland to the east, and this spring filled in the dugout south of the yard. The year before that he leveled and filled everything west of his road as well, all adjacent to the WPA.

 

[ndlongshot]

I wish I could tell the power company to move the utility box off the corner of my lot, but thats not really how it works. What a terribly biased article of this guy stomping his feet cause he can't tile a field he knew had a WETLAND easement on. Ya know, the ones duck hunters pay for and landowners voluntarily sign up for.

 

[ndlongshot]

I think tile can improve certain wetlands , these look like puddles that get just wet enough to kill a crop but dry up can only grow mosquitoes , tile it to a real wetland and it improves it. Historic pictures are the only way to tell and if this case ends up in court they will make or break the lawsuit. I'm surprised farmers arn't suing each others over drain tile.

Tiling small wetlands into larger ones is called consolidation and its why we now have previously productive shallow wetlands that now produce walleyes and likely won't ever draw down even in times of drought.
Tile surely doesnt help temporary wetlands, it eliminates them by eliminating the watershed around it. The effects on water quality nationwide, and even here in ND are very evident. Algae blooms for everyone.

But, ethanol is great......so theres that.

 

[snow2]

Tile ruined mn wetlands which started in the 60's soil bank was next now urban sprawl has taken over, watched prairie lands turned to farm land then farmland turned to subdivisions. From Nebraska, kansas,eastern Colorado.