Protecting Schools

How should we defend our schools?

  • Arm the staff

    Votes: 49 41.2%
  • Metal detectors

    Votes: 8 6.7%
  • Security system or security guard

    Votes: 51 42.9%
  • Not sure or don't know

    Votes: 11 9.2%

  • Total voters
    119
  • Poll closed .

guywhofishes

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welcome to liberal nirvana - trapped in a paradise of progressive liberalism - not going to get better any time soon

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turn your back on the idea of God, traditional families, hard work, and personal responsibility and there you have it

you can think of conservatives whatever way you please but you can’t argue that we were wrong the last 30 years
 


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Well let’s make schools “gun free zones” and hang signs that say “no guns allowed”. That will stop these crazies.
 

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No one should be able to walk into a school with an AR. It's pretty bad when this guy 1. Gets into the school even though he is banned, 2. Some how brings in an AR without anyone noticing. Hiding an AR in plain sight is not the easiest.

Perimeter security at schools needs to be much better and then there is no need to arm teachers. Keep the guns out of the schools and there will be no problem.

Everyone likes to blame the AR but this could have been just as worse with a handgun which no one is calling to ban and which they shouldn't.
 

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Personally I am not a fan of arming the teachers, and I'm a teacher.

I don;t think anyone is suggesting that the principal passes out six shooters to all the teachers so they can patrol the halls.

But if a teacher wishes to go thru the training process and wants to have a secured fire arm in their classroom to use as a last resort to protect their students if some lunatic is shooting up their school like I said that to me seem better than having kids huddled together holding books in front of their faces while the teacher lays across them waiting to be shot.
 

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There is nothing that can be done. Liberalism is 100% the problem. The schools themselves are teaching left wing morals and ideals basically hatred and division all the while claiming the right is the problem while the right continues to lean further and further to the left. Many more school shootings and violence along with strict gun control and division in our future.
 


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One thing that worries Me about all the talk about the focus on the mental illness aspect of all these mass shootings. Yes obvious mentally ill people shouldnt have guns but does that mean anyone on anti depression meds has to give up all there guns? I worry a little bit about the attitude that seems to be talked about now where neighbors tipping off the police about their "crazy" neighbor that has thousands of rounds of ammunition in there house gets all their guns pulled. Am i the only one who sees there could be a huge problem where a few liberal gun hating mental health doctors could cause alot of problems?

And there in lies the problem. Most mental health professionals tend to be liberal. Some coworker that dislikes you calls in a complaint, somebody on an internet site that disagrees with you call in a complaint, your ex calls in a complaint....suddenly your guns are taken not worrying about due process.

What else will trigger a disregard for due process? How about the accusation of neglect/abuse of an animal........we already have a law here in ND that allows for private property to be seized and disposed of without due process for that.

I'm betting most people do not even realize how much their rights are being limited by govt already.
 

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I don;t think anyone is suggesting that the principal passes out six shooters to all the teachers so they can patrol the halls.

But if a teacher wishes to go thru the training process and wants to have a secured fire arm in their classroom to use as a last resort to protect their students if some lunatic is shooting up their school like I said that to me seem better than having kids huddled together holding books in front of their faces while the teacher lays across them waiting to be shot.
I seen that where they had all the kids huddled in a corner with books in front of their faces. Was probably the most pathetic thing I ever seen. Had to be another liberal idea, play the victim. My son is ten, I told him if there is a shooter in the school the last thing you better be doing is cowering in a corner with the rest of your class. I said grab a chair and throw it through the window and do what ever the hell you have to do to get out of there. Can’t believe what they are teaching kids in these schools.
 

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One thing that worries Me about all the talk about the focus on the mental illness aspect of all these mass shootings. Yes obvious mentally ill people shouldnt have guns but does that mean anyone on anti depression meds has to give up all there guns? I worry a little bit about the attitude that seems to be talked about now where neighbors tipping off the police about their "crazy" neighbor that has thousands of rounds of ammunition in there house gets all their guns pulled. Am i the only one who sees there could be a huge problem where a few liberal gun hating mental health doctors could cause alot of problems?
this is a valid concern. My feeling is they would need a panel of doctors, lets say at least three, and family members all come together and make the same conclusion.

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We went to school in a plain old square brick building. We learned and our taxes weren't out of this world to pay for the building. Nowadays you have to have these huge fancy assed buildings as if the fancy building will help the kids learn. To get the idea to pass to build these buildings they come with, "it's for the kids". To try to make people feel guilty and vote yes to get the tax money to build.
20 million dollar schools are NOT going to make the kids learn or make them better than a plain square 2 million dollar school building.
This keep up with the Jones' attitude killed many a farmer and also just plain people that are trying to keep up with their neighbors. Now they are doing the same things with school buildings.
Sorry this is off the subject, will shut up!
These castles of schools are being built for two reasons. The teachers and parents think they have to have them. But mostly because architects get paid a percentage of the total job cost. They make a hell of a lot more money on a 100 million dollar school than a fifty million dollar school. And they have become excellent salesmen and convince the schools and the public they have to have these facilities.
 

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There is no one answer to making our schools safer. Our schools are as safe as they have ever been. Students and parents come in and leave all the time. No different than than 50 years ago whey I was in school. What is different is the mindset of people who have no concern for human life.

It's not uncommon for school shooters to have been loners in school, or have been bullied. If that is the case, then why attack students who they most likely do not even know? Just shooting to be shooting instead of attacking those who bullies or otherwise mistreated them.

Bullying is so much different today. Social media had made bullying a non-contact issue. Before social media a person was just about required to bully in person. It happened in my day but not nearly as much and when it did happen, occasionally the bully ended up wishing they would have kept their mouth shut.

Movies and games are to blame? When I was young we played "cowboys and Indians", we had GI Joe men, we all had BB guns and did our best to control the barn sparrow population. None of us grew up with the idea it was OK to actually go out and harm Indians, or feel the need to grow from sparrows to humans or a desire to purposefully go to war. Many of my age did end up in a war but that was a result of a feeling of a duty to our country, not a desire to actually kill at random.

Most may age also spent a lot of Sundays mornings in church. We were raised by more than just our parents. We had a lot of parents with different names such as "Grandparents, aunts and uncles, friends of our family." Just about everybody in the community watched out for us when we were young and made sure we stayed on the straight and narrow.

Only changing our society will make our schools completely safe. All the other solutions will help but not completely solve societies problems. We can no longer excuse poor behavior at any age.

Another question that needs answers is the wide use of medication. How many of them might be having side-effects on the users? I'm fearful many of them are having more bad effects than they are helping.
 
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And we go all the way around the block, back to giving an office to a State Trooper, to do his/her paperwork in, and have a Highway Patrol Car parked outside during the day.

I graduated from Bismarck High School in 1988, and no, I never saw a student go after a teacher. Not some old Wilfred Brimley moment here, because I saw plenty of bad behavior, but students didn't go after teachers, or principals. I think if they had, there would have been a line of dads waiting outside, to kick that kids butt. And that would have been a delight to see.
 


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As a teacher for over 20 yrs I don't have an answer. Clearly it is a mental issue. How to solve...I don't know. Yes there should be better entrance security. How or what...I don't know either. But speaking of arming teachers, I am on the fence with this. Some think teachers are all loaded up etc. That is not how it works. I teach in SD. One school here passed a law arming teachers. They call them a school sentinel I believe. There are only a few teachers that are "packed." And...no one knows who they are. It's kept quiet. They receive proper training etc. They are not to use weapon for any reason other than the school shooting scenario. Can they foil a shooting...prob not but they may be able to limit a killing from 17 to only a couple?? Not saying right or wrong just saying how this particular school operates.
 

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As a teacher for over 20 yrs I don't have an answer. Clearly it is a mental issue. How to solve...I don't know. Yes there should be better entrance security. How or what...I don't know either. But speaking of arming teachers, I am on the fence with this. Some think teachers are all loaded up etc. That is not how it works. I teach in SD. One school here passed a law arming teachers. They call them a school sentinel I believe. There are only a few teachers that are "packed." And...no one knows who they are. It's kept quiet. They receive proper training etc. They are not to use weapon for any reason other than the school shooting scenario. Can they foil a shooting...prob not but they may be able to limit a killing from 17 to only a couple?? Not saying right or wrong just saying how this particular school operates.

Just knowing that a few teachers are packing might be enough of a deterrent to keep most of these wackos away.
 

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Just knowing that a few teachers are packing might be enough of a deterrent to keep most of these wackos away.

Yes Sluggo, exactly. The same reason why the thought of an armed Marshal on an airplane (nobody knows who it is, or even if there is one on any particular flight) seems to help.

I also have to say that if we can keep shooters out of a courthouse, or a Federal Building, why can't we do the same for a school?
Is it a matter of making it important enough?
If so, my kids are pretty darned important, and I'd go a long ways to protect them.
If they have to have metal detectors, and if they have to have airport-like security at a school - well, I'd rather have that, than a dead child.
 

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Forgive me if someone has already suggested this, using the retired military personnel most would love to help protect and maybe recruit the next generation of combat soldiers. One thing we don't have in the schools that I had 20 years ago were retired military personnel who became teachers who didn't take shit from nobody.
Mr. Woodcock could, he is notorius for rhetorical questions
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Teachers should be allowed to conceal carry, but if a "crazie" wants to kill people in schools he'll just determine what teachers are carrying and kill them first, and then turn his attention to students, so maybe we also need to consider permitting students to conceal carry too. Where does it end?

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I should state we should allow "mentally healthy" well trained students the oppurtunity to conceal carry, don't ya think?
 


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Forgive me if someone has already suggested this, using the retired military personnel most would love to help protect and maybe recruit the next generation of combat soldiers. One thing we don't have in the schools that I had 20 years ago were retired military personnel who became teachers who didn't take shit from nobody.
Mr. Woodcock could, he is notorius for rhetorical questions
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Our school staff all have my cell number, hope it never happens but if it does the little prick won't know what hit him, he'll just be dead. Yes, two in the heart and one in the mind.
 

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Dont change a god damn thing, its a minimal risk, better chance of dying from bees or a lightning strike. Burn down a mcdonalds, that would save more lives than all the gun control and school security in the world.
 
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Would like to add perhaps looking at the root cause Bullying I know some people may not think it is a big deal and perhaps kids who fall victim to bullying are just not able to deal with kids and are not social but that is not the truth. The majority of the school shooters were bullied to the brink of insanity and our solution is to arm teachers and protect our selves but if we stop the torment of our youth by our youth then this will continue. The problem lies in the fact that today kids can NOT GET AWAY form the bullying there is no break it fallows them home via social media its all around them and no one will stop it. Not every one in society can stand up for them selves they just don't have a confrontational personality and that is ok accept for the fact that they alone can not help then selves nor can their parents due to the same personality traits.
A disturbing fact my daughter attends a West Fargo Public school and she informed me one day when the topic arose their policy is to recommend the bullied student to Prairie at St Johns for a Phyc evaluation and to learn how to cope with piers rather than to address the bully. I wanted to vomit when I heard this.
We can not stop the media monster that is rapidly changing the thought process of our youth however we can monitor our children Listen to your kids and do not be afraid to stand up for them to their teachers, school, and anyone who is causing them harm because if you don't your child can be easily pushed to the brink of insanity.
 

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I finished the book Assassination Generation yesterday. Data was presented from psychiatrists, and the American Pediatrics Association. They talked about what can cause to much aggression in kids and at what age. Surprisingly they recommended no TV for kids under two years old. I think it was New York where they interviewed tens of thousands of parents before their kids went to pre school. Many of the questions were simply intended to put the parents at ease, like what's your child's favorite TV show. Surprisingly pre school has 3.8 times as many kids expelled as K through 12 because they have not learned many social skills and get sent home. So that was the reason for the questionnaire. Years later sort of by accident they were looking over those questions and trying to find correlations and were shocked. You will never guess which cartoon most influenced aggression at a very early age. PowerPuff Girls. Yup I kid you not. Following up they said it only had half the affect if parents watched it with them. I guess it's because this little hero girl socks people in the face etc. The big culprits were Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, and Halo. Many of the shooters were considered addicted to Grand Theft Auto. Why would parents let a third grader play a game where you pick up a hooker, take her to the country, with very good graphics have sex with her in the passenger seat, then stab her to death, throw her out of the car, urinate on her, pour gasoline on her, set her on fire, and say burn bitch. Many parents have no idea how violent some of these games are. I had no idea.
 

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Brace yourself PG , Mentioning that some video games are not healthy for young minds will get you called all sorts of things. People don't want to be told how to raise their kids, I get that . I was pretty much nailed to the cross for even mentioning that Video games are a root cause of a lot of problems. Well Fast forward two years , Shit is starting to get real and It's time for this concerned citizen to double down instead of slide away from the keyboard on this issue and tell those parents to educate themselves rather than spouting off some knee jerk 5th grade response in defense of graphic games. They are one of the main ingredient in a recipe for disaster. There are a lot of good educational information on behavior , This is probably not the best example but it's the first one that jumped out at me.

https://www.yourmodernfamily.com/media/


Update: Strike one, The link didn't lead to the important part.

https://www.yourmodernfamily.com/less-patient-more-lonely/
 
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