SB2137

[NDSportsman]

How many deer in ND have died from CWD?

Stop wasting time and money on something that to date has had 0 impact on our deer herd!

 

[bravo]

Counterpoint - the lack of CWD impact on the herd shows the methods are working.

I know, tough to compare against a “control” group. I don’t care much about CWD either way, but some out there do and the deer are just as much theirs as they are mine. Just sayin’.

 

[Trip McNeely]

Counterpoint - the lack of CWD impact on the herd shows the methods are working.

I know, tough to compare against a “control” group. I don’t care much about CWD either way, but some out there do and the deer are just as much theirs as they are mine. Just sayin’.

No….. good try though. You think anyone would believe that counterpoint?

 

[bravo]

The closest we have to a control would be Saskatchewan. Similar landscape and they did nothing. It spread and did a lot of damage to their trophy destination status.

So a rational, objective person would at least consider it.

 

[wct12]

Counterpoint - the lack of CWD impact on the herd shows the methods are working.

I know, tough to compare against a “control” group. I don’t care much about CWD either way, but some out there do and the deer are just as much theirs as they are mine. Just sayin’.

The closest example we have of the departments practices was 3f2.. 10 years of culling and baiting restrictions and between 2009 and 2019 and then between 19 and 22 I believe 76 or 77% from 3f2 (I would have to double check my testimony, I did the math there) have occurred. After 10 years of their stuff being in place a 4 year spike occurred. Then the department “shifted areas of focus”

 

[KDM]

Ok BrockW, just for fun I chose Kansas to do some research on. First off Kansas itself claims their deer herd is growing and has been for the last 22 years. It's the first statement I saw when I googled Kansas deer herd growing by the way. Kansas has had cwd since 2001. That means the deer herd in Kansas has been growing the whole time cwd has been there. Also, an interesting point is that you CAN BAIT in Kansas on private land. So how do you justify wanting to implement bait bans again? See also the effectiveness of bait bans in Wyoming, Colorado, Minnesota, and others.

I then looked into new york where you stated culling worked. According to the cwd alliance website map, the only place cwd was found was in captive herds in central New York. I found conflicting reports from "Official" sites that state no wild deer were found with cwd and then there are those that state there were. Regardless, NY used culling to eliminate those captive herds and then does it for simple population control in urban settings. NY just identified another deer from a captive herd last year, so I guess culling captive deer works, but I haven't seen where culling operations worked for ANY wild deer herds.

On to Colorado. ONE....yes ONE herd in Co reported a reduction in cwd prevalence. However, they themselves, the state, report that this was due to sustained hunting and culling campaigns. Well no shit. Kill 80% of the deer and I'll bet you will get an 80% reduction in cwd prevalence when compared to the begining. Kill them with a bullet so they don't die from cwd. That's as rediculous as Pelosi's "Pass it so we know what's in it" lunacy.

I could go on, but this is making my head hurt. CWD is a non-issue and nobody anywhere has been able to show me evidence to the contrary. Nothing but a political cash and power grab through fear mongering and public scare tactics.

Carry On!

 

[Trip McNeely]

3f2 is exactly why this is a giant waste of time and money grab. It’s living proof of a few things. 1) baiting restrictions dont do shit. 2) even with higher incidence rates the deer are not dying from CWD. 3) EHD and winter severely wiped out the deer populations in that area long before any scary disease could do any damage.

 

[wct12]

The closest we have to a control would be Saskatchewan. Similar landscape and they did nothing. It spread and did a lot of damage to their trophy destination status.

So a rational, objective person would at least consider it.

Sask is still number 11 I believe in top destinations for B&C whitetails (has dropped from 9 on entries) in 5 years. Wisconsin is number 1 and is always used as a “what if” on CWD examples also. Texas and Michigan are also climbing in the B&C enteries list.

Saskatchewan also increased tag numbers to use sportsmen to cull. Looking at trophy quality is tough because if I remove way more deer than a herd can have removed to keep quality sustainable (more 130-150” 3-4 year old deer killed every year, there will be less 4-6 160+” deer being killed because tag allotments removed them before they made it as much or probably way more so than CWD)