Well this is going to get interesting

[TripleSK]

I agree, 90% of this is on doolittle Dalrymple.

Agreed

 

[guywhofishes]

man did he suck on that deal

what a loser

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what a disappointing way to exit public service

 

[lunkerslayer]

Did anyone hear about the keystone pipeline spill in south Dakota, was it a faulty valve or sabotage. Seems like a real bad deal

 

[TripleSK]

Did anyone hear about the keystone pipeline spill in south Dakota, was it a faulty valve or sabotage. Seems like a real bad deal

If I remember right, drop in pressure so they shut the valve off and found 210,000 barrels spilled.

 

[tikkalover]

It was 5000 barrels so 210,000 gallons. Pressure went down and they had the pipeline shut down within 15 minutes.

 

[deleted member]

Wouldn't be surprised to find out it was sabotage. That's a lot of oil in 15 minutes. Seems like a catastrophic failure. Which seems unlikely in a pipeline of this age absent tampering. But, just an unedumacated supposition.

 

[lunkerslayer]

Man that is awful news, you know i got see first hand the amount of time and labor that is put into these new gas pipelines. All the pipe that were used were produced in the USA, each pipe is coated with a plastic resin where only the ends are left bare. Once the pipes have been welded together a welding inspector visually looks over every pass of welds before the next welder lays down another bead. After the inspector visually inspects every weld, a two man crew x rays the welds to find if any welds may have been damaged from the next welders bead that passed over the one below. Once the x ray comes back certifying a good weld, another crew of individual comes in and sand blast the each area that will be covered in a epoxy that was put on by the factory. Next the pipe crew has a machine which has a coil that wraps around the whole circumference of the pipe that a small voltage is passed through the coils to detect any bare metals spots that will be patched before they are lowered into the trench. Next a crew uses dozers with side booms to lower the pipe into the ground, the side booms have a cradle that uses plastic rollers to protect the pipe from being scrateched before it is lowerd to its finale resting place. Next the survey crew comes in and shoots each weld which is documented in the data collector as to who made the pipe, who weere the welders, the welding inspector, as well as the x rays techs. All this inforamation is keyed into an attribute table in the data collector, that way the pipes location can be relocated to with in .003 of a foot. The machine that backfills the trench is called a padder, the padder removes all the big rocks before the soil is used for backfilling. Next the pipes are cleaned of debris by the use of different kind of apparatuses that are called "pigs" after the pipe has been cleaned of debris the pipe is filled with 2500 to 2800 psi pressurized water which needs to maintain that form of pressure for a spefic amount of time. The pipe will never see that kind of pressure when it begins service but the steel pipe is actually designed for around 3000 psi.
And you know who is responsible for all these safety procedures the company whose product is being transferred through that pipe. That company spends 100,000 of thousand of dollars just in the inspection of those pipes to insure that each pipe will last decades. Also the pipes are cleaned using a pig on a strict maintenance schedule to ensure that pipe is flowing at optimum performance. That way when an accident occurs it can be detected and fixed immediately to be put back into service.
If the public knew what i seen first hand it would of put a lot of those people who thought that the pipes where put together without strict safety procedures.
Then when the dust settles it would be about what is really the whole problem to a pipes location which is money nothing more.
The oil companies are constantly replacing old pipe that has been in service for decades the pipes are no different then the arteries that are in our own bodies a peroferin wax eventually builds up making the pipe to expensive to be repaired so it must be replaced.
I could say more I won't but we have only seen the tip of the ice berg when it comes to transporting crude over land someone knows something that the rest of us will never fully know until it's being piped over thousand or miles of new pipeline.

 

[Up Y'oars]

there ain't many charges left. a very high percentage were dismissed. many were arrested en masse and there was poor documentation of each individual and the circumstances surrounding their individual arrest. for a very large portion of the people arrested, there was never a mention of their individual names in any discovery other than the booking log at the jail.

however, there is plenty blame to rest on the shoulders of the Morton County States Attorney. THEY decide the charges for law enforcement and take those charges to court. To enter the courtroom HALF-ASSED prepared and get the charges dropped only lets down the local citizens that are hoping for equality in the judicial system. Well, that portion failed miserably. When it that crew up for re-election?

 

[luvcatchingbass]

Well that is pretty spot on Lunk for how a lot of pipelines are done now and it sure is a very interesting process and if handled correctly the record keeping is so much easier with this technologyThumbs Up. Locating a weld within .003 of a foot I would say probably more like .03-.30 of a foot but if they are within 1ft-3ft they will find the problem fast. I know the GPS side as I have done inspection locates and record jobs with GPS and have been working with that kind of equipment for about 14yrs now and it is amazing how much everything changed in my first 3-5yrs and what we have now.

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When they record the weld their collector may say .003 but that doesn't mean they could find that exact spot. .003 is less than 1/16th of an inch

 

[deleted member]

i will agree with the fact that they let it drag out too long. i don't necessarily blame them for charging folks once arrested. had they not charged these yahoos after being arrested, there would have been hell to pay in the media and with the citizens of ND. however, i do think a lot of the original felony endangering by fire charges and similar felonies should have been vetted a bit better. an extremely high % of them never made it past the felony preliminary stage because they had no specific proof whatsoever that any of the people arrested had anything to do with the fires. that left a bunch of misdemeanor trespass, rioting and/or public nuisance type charges. it became pretty clear early on that the only charges that might stick were the trespass charges (even a lot of those couldn't show actual notice) because there was no documentation about specific defendants actions to support rioting and/or public nuisance. and a lot of those cases were held open for nearly a year before they were eventually dismissed. the cost to the state for public defenders (who were paid outside their existing contracts) on overcharged felonies and then dragging the misdemeanors out for a year had to be quite high for the hundreds of people arrested. that doesn't account for the wasted court and state's attorney office time and expense associated with each. really just a clusterfuck all around.

 

[dean nelson]

Did anyone hear about the keystone pipeline spill in south Dakota, was it a faulty valve or sabotage. Seems like a real bad deal

The oil in those things is some nasty shit! It's definitely not something you want near any major water since the shits so nasty it doesn't even float! Hell they have to water it down with chemicals just to make it thin enough that I can actually be pumped through a pipeline.

 

[Davy Crockett]

Man that is awful news, you know i got see first hand the amount of time and labor that is put into these new gas pipelines. All the pipe that were used were produced in the USA, each pipe is coated with a plastic resin where only the ends are left bare. Once the pipes have been welded together a welding inspector visually looks over every pass of welds before the next welder lays down another bead. After the inspector visually inspects every weld, a two man crew x rays the welds to find if any welds may have been damaged from the next welders bead that passed over the one below. Once the x ray comes back certifying a good weld, another crew of individual comes in and sand blast the each area that will be covered in a epoxy that was put on by the factory. Next the pipe crew has a machine which has a coil that wraps around the whole circumference of the pipe that a small voltage is passed through the coils to detect any bare metals spots that will be patched before they are lowered into the trench. Next a crew uses dozers with side booms to lower the pipe into the ground, the side booms have a cradle that uses plastic rollers to protect the pipe from being scrateched before it is lowerd to its finale resting place. Next the survey crew comes in and shoots each weld which is documented in the data collector as to who made the pipe, who weere the welders, the welding inspector, as well as the x rays techs. All this inforamation is keyed into an attribute table in the data collector, that way the pipes location can be relocated to with in .003 of a foot. The machine that backfills the trench is called a padder, the padder removes all the big rocks before the soil is used for backfilling. Next the pipes are cleaned of debris by the use of different kind of apparatuses that are called "pigs" after the pipe has been cleaned of debris the pipe is filled with 2500 to 2800 psi pressurized water which needs to maintain that form of pressure for a spefic amount of time. The pipe will never see that kind of pressure when it begins service but the steel pipe is actually designed for around 3000 psi.
And you know who is responsible for all these safety procedures the company whose product is being transferred through that pipe. That company spends 100,000 of thousand of dollars just in the inspection of those pipes to insure that each pipe will last decades. Also the pipes are cleaned using a pig on a strict maintenance schedule to ensure that pipe is flowing at optimum performance. That way when an accident occurs it can be detected and fixed immediately to be put back into service.
If the public knew what i seen first hand it would of put a lot of those people who thought that the pipes where put together without strict safety procedures.
Then when the dust settles it would be about what is really the whole problem to a pipes location which is money nothing more.
The oil companies are constantly replacing old pipe that has been in service for decades the pipes are no different then the arteries that are in our own bodies a peroferin wax eventually builds up making the pipe to expensive to be repaired so it must be replaced.
I could say more I won't but we have only seen the tip of the ice berg when it comes to transporting crude over land someone knows something that the rest of us will never fully know until it's being piped over thousand or miles of new pipeline.

Good post Lunk, What amazes me is that with all the quality control they still haven't figured out an expansion/contraction joint that you can pump a pig through. I'm no engineer but I still say its Gotta be pressure points created from expansion/contraction , At least on newer pipelines.

 

[Migrator Man]

Good post Lunk, What amazes me is that with all the quality control they still haven't figured out an expansion/contraction joint that you can pump a pig through. I'm no engineer but I still say its Gotta be pressure points created from expansion/contraction , At least on newer pipelines.

I don't think they use expansion joints on oil pipelines. Maybe with natural gas ones with the higher temps. TransCanada is lucky this didn't affect their approval in Nebraska for XL. This latest failure was probably a weld defect that couldnt be detected from ILI. Failures like this give a black eye to the industry and shouldn't happen.

 

[Davy Crockett]

I might be wrong about pressure points but it makes sense. It would be fun to know how many feet 1000 miles of pipeline expands and contracts per degree of temp. change.

 

[tikkalover]

Why can't these people just move on with life!!!!!!!!

Standing Rock Sioux tribe challenges Corps findings on Dakota Access pipeline

The Standing Rock Sioux tribe, which is leading a four-tribe lawsuit against the four-state pipeline built by Texas-based Energy Transfer Partners, in court documents filed Thursday asked a federal judge to reject the findings.
“The corps has conducted a sham process to arrive at a sham conclusion, for the second time,” tribal Chairman Mike Faith said in a statement.
The pipeline has the capacity to move half of the oil produced daily in North Dakota, the nation’s second-leading producer behind Texas. It passes just north of the Standing Rock Reservation, beneath a Missouri River reservoir that is the tribe’s water source.
The pipeline has been moving North Dakota oil through South Dakota and Iowa to a shipping point in Illinois since June 2017. That same month, U.S. District Judge James Boasberg ruled that the Corps largely complied with environmental law when permitting the pipeline but needed to do more study of its impact to tribal rights. The Corps filed its work with the court in late August.


Standing Rock’s challenge says the Corps “failed to grapple with extensive technical input provided by the tribe and others undermining its conclusions.” The major example the tribe offered is information it says shows the Corps has underestimated the risk and impact of an oil spill.
The tribe continues to maintain that the only lawful way to resolve the matter would be through a full environmental study that includes consideration of route alternatives.
The Corps had planned to do a more extensive environmental study before President Donald Trump took office in January 2017 and pushed through completion of the stalled project. The agency said in court documents in August that the additional study concluded a more thorough review is unwarranted. The tribe asks Boasberg to reject that conclusion.

 

[Paddledogger]

And this is the reason why I continue to boycott PKC. Yes, the river is their source of water, like Lake Sakakawea is for many of us. Oil pipelines cross many bodies of water. Does Standing Rock Fighting Hawks, I mean Sioux Tribal Council not know their water comes from way south in Oahe, and not with a real threat to the intake? Hmmm....must be looking for some kind of a settlement. Maybe the casino isn’t making much of a profit these days. Bad thing is, many people down there actually were OK with the pipeline!!! But I agree they need to move on.

 

[deleted member]

Isn't it pumping oil already?

 

[SupressYourself]

Yeah for like a year and a half now.
Just more victim whining BS.
It irks me that in these "news stories" no one ever seems to mention that Lake Oahe supplies water to a shitload of white people along with the tribe. They always seem to spin it in a way that sounds like the tribe was "targeted" or something.

 

[eyexer]

Why can't these people just move on with life!!!!!!!!

Standing Rock Sioux tribe challenges Corps findings on Dakota Access pipeline

The Standing Rock Sioux tribe, which is leading a four-tribe lawsuit against the four-state pipeline built by Texas-based Energy Transfer Partners, in court documents filed Thursday asked a federal judge to reject the findings.
“The corps has conducted a sham process to arrive at a sham conclusion, for the second time,” tribal Chairman Mike Faith said in a statement.
The pipeline has the capacity to move half of the oil produced daily in North Dakota, the nation’s second-leading producer behind Texas. It passes just north of the Standing Rock Reservation, beneath a Missouri River reservoir that is the tribe’s water source.
The pipeline has been moving North Dakota oil through South Dakota and Iowa to a shipping point in Illinois since June 2017. That same month, U.S. District Judge James Boasberg ruled that the Corps largely complied with environmental law when permitting the pipeline but needed to do more study of its impact to tribal rights. The Corps filed its work with the court in late August.


Standing Rock’s challenge says the Corps “failed to grapple with extensive technical input provided by the tribe and others undermining its conclusions.” The major example the tribe offered is information it says shows the Corps has underestimated the risk and impact of an oil spill.
The tribe continues to maintain that the only lawful way to resolve the matter would be through a full environmental study that includes consideration of route alternatives.
The Corps had planned to do a more extensive environmental study before President Donald Trump took office in January 2017 and pushed through completion of the stalled project. The agency said in court documents in August that the additional study concluded a more thorough review is unwarranted. The tribe asks Boasberg to reject that conclusion.

that's not the way they work. they hold grudges against the white man for hundreds of years

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Yeah for like a year and a half now.
Just more victim whining BS.
It irks me that in these "news stories" no one ever seems to mention that Lake Oahe supplies water to a shitload of white people along with the tribe. They always seem to spin it in a way that sounds like the tribe was "targeted" or something.

it's because aruging for white folks doesn't interest anybody.

 

[guywhofishes]

#victimcultureblowsdonkeys