Natives gill netting~

[3Roosters]

I BELIEVE the only LEGAL way for Natives to catch Walleyes is hook and line only on Red Lake in MN. Read somewhere that pirating still happens but nowhere near the amount back when netting was allowed. Red Lake walleyes are still advertised pretty good around the Bemidji area it seems when we are in that neck of the woods so think some back channel pirating of these fillets happens. Red Lake Nation fishery has them on their website priced..so you know back channel deals are happening for other amounts.
[h=6]Walleye 5lb Box - Fresh Frozen[/h]
$69.95


On a side note, there are times when I am on the water fishing that these prices seem reasonable..hahaha

 

[snow]

Well,here is a statement from a local elder shows they're intentions~Alot of whats said doesn't make it to the public but inch -inch- they are creeping up.


Here is the proposed land grab,and it doesn't stop here,I've seen plans for more land grabs~



On January 14, 1989 Art Gahbow, Chief Executive Officer of the Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe, stated "As of right now we are on the offensive. We are on the attack. To state it simply, we will take it back.... The goal is to get back the original Mille Lacs, Sandy Lake and Rice Lake Reservations. The Lake Lena area will also be expanded.... One way or the other, we will take it back.... The State of Minnesota does not understand that we are a sovereign government.... Commissioner of Natural Resources Don Wedll, I want you to have our 1837 Treaty litigation underway in the next six months.... All work hours, all business transactions, all contract negotiations will be aimed at one goal: restoration of the reservation lands.... We will not back down. We are on the attack. There is no surrender."

News5.1

 

[deactivated]

Well,here is a statement from a local elder shows they're intentions~Alot of whats said doesn't make it to the public but inch -inch- they are creeping up.


Here is the proposed land grab,and it doesn't stop here,I've seen plans for more land grabs~



On January 14, 1989 Art Gahbow, Chief Executive Officer of the Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe, stated "As of right now we are on the offensive. We are on the attack. To state it simply, we will take it back.... The goal is to get back the original Mille Lacs, Sandy Lake and Rice Lake Reservations. The Lake Lena area will also be expanded.... One way or the other, we will take it back.... The State of Minnesota does not understand that we are a sovereign government.... Commissioner of Natural Resources Don Wedll, I want you to have our 1837 Treaty litigation underway in the next six months.... All work hours, all business transactions, all contract negotiations will be aimed at one goal: restoration of the reservation lands.... We will not back down. We are on the attack. There is no surrender."

News5.1

Amazing how this is working out. Kill the buffalo and you get some land. Kill the walleye and you get some land. I don't really think the Band's strategy is to kill off the walleye. If they wanted to it would be done already. It is well documented that recreational anglers have exceeded their quota more often than the Band's exceeded their netting quota on this lake. As North Dakotan's understand, a walleye killed in the fall lays the same amount of eggs as a walleye killed a week before they spawn.

 

[snow]

Rooster,don't be fooled,the red lake band opened up they're commerical fishery a few years back,hook-n-line native fishermen wasn't cutting it on the whole sale side of things so the netts went back in adfter we tax payers brought back the walleye population but it took 10 years of no walleye fishing and stocking program.

As far as recreational fishermen go we were just fine for the last 50 years up to 1999,today the gill netts are killing/pilaging spawning walleyes by the ton before they spawn out as best we can tell,many natives slide in and out w/o they're take being declared,we have video's.

Also.recreational fishermen taking over they're alotted amount.tell me how they figure this with the lake being shut down mid summer and 3 years of catch and release? Oh yeah,"hooking mortallity" which is a bullshit # the state pulls outof their ass as few folks fish the lake for walleyes these days because of catch and release.Spend $300to $400 per day to catch and release all walleyes,ain't happening.

While we have strick regs for non natives the ojib's are buying up all the lake shore land they can as folks are bailing,business's have folded,sad to see whats taking place here and elsewhere across our nation

 

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Rooster,don't be fooled,the red lake band opened up they're commerical fishery a few years back,hook-n-line native fishermen wasn't cutting it on the whole sale side of things so the netts went back in adfter we tax payers brought back the walleye population but it took 10 years of no walleye fishing and stocking program.

As far as recreational fishermen go we were just fine for the last 50 years up to 1999,today the gill netts are killing/pilaging spawning walleyes by the ton before they spawn out as best we can tell,many natives slide in and out w/o they're take being declared,we have video's.

Also.recreational fishermen taking over they're alotted amount.tell me how they figure this with the lake being shut down mid summer and 3 years of catch and release? Oh yeah,"hooking mortallity" which is a bullshit # the state pulls outof their ass as few folks fish the lake for walleyes these days because of catch and release.Spend $300to $400 per day to catch and release all walleyes,ain't happening.

While we have strick regs for non natives the ojib's are buying up all the lake shore land they can as folks are bailing,business's have folded,sad to see whats taking place here and elsewhere across our nation

I am not buying what your selling about the harvest info. As far as the Band buying land from a willing seller, thats capitalism.

 

[snow]

I'm not selling anything,just stating facts as I've been involved in this issue since the begining when Bud Grant started to lobby against trible harvesting fishing and hunting rights in 1992,we see more and more natives pushing the envolope to expand they're gathering rights to the west.

We have whats called round table meetings where the GLIFW commission and community members/business owner meet to discuss fishing regs for both sides,one sided as it is we find no common ground to fix the problem.

We as sportsmen don't have an issue with our local ojibwa as they have been teaching the young for years and cerimonies,the real issue is the 6 tribes from wisc pilaging the lake.

 

[deactivated]

I'm not selling anything,just stating facts as I've been involved in this issue since the begining when Bud Grant started to lobby against trible harvesting fishing and hunting rights in 1992,we see more and more natives pushing the envolope to expand they're gathering rights to the west.

We have whats called round table meetings where the GLIFW commission and community members/business owner meet to discuss fishing regs for both sides,one sided as it is we find no common ground to fix the problem.

We as sportsmen don't have an issue with our local ojibwa as they have been teaching the young for years and cerimonies,the real issue is the 6 tribes from wisc pilaging the lake.

Tough to fix a problem when you do not acknowledge other factors effecting the walleye population such as cleaner water, walleye canibalism, warmer water, and recreational fisherman taking more than their share.

 

[Bfishn]

Tough to fix a problem when you do not acknowledge other factors effecting the walleye population such as cleaner water, walleye canibalism, warmer water, and recreational fisherman taking more than their share.

Why is it you never seem to hear of major walleye fisheries that don't have commercial fishing collapsing, yet we have seen it time and time again in fisheries that are subject to commercial netting? We've seen it at Red lake, Mille lacs, and soon to be Winnipeg. Yet in a place like ND with no netting we have never had an issue. Maybe its just pure coincidence, but from an outsider looking in it definitely doesn't seem that way.

 

[Brian Renville]

On a side note, i like to encourage anybody i know to never order walleye at a restaurant, or buy it at a supermarket. Without a market for the fish there is no need to net it. Just tell them that most of the Walleye on the US market (around 70% I believe) comes from Lake Winnipeg which is polluted as hell.

Yep. I wiped walleye off of our menu years ago for that reason. Blows my mind when I see people paying for walleye, especially around here. There shouldn't even be a market for it. Imagine how many other good things you can buy and eat for $18 a pound or less. And if a person really wants a white, flaky fish grab some $3/pound pollock and be done with it. Any "subsistence" should have monitored distribution or even consumption. The people going to the res to buy and trade for fish needs to stop.

 

[guywhofishes]

Tough to fix a problem when you do not acknowledge other factors effecting the walleye population such as cleaner water, walleye canibalism, warmer water, and recreational fisherman taking more than their share.

lol

 

[Stan's Dad]

Why is it you never seem to hear of major walleye fisheries that don't have commercial fishing collapsing, yet we have seen it time and time again in fisheries that are subject to commercial netting? We've seen it at Red lake, Mille lacs, and soon to be Winnipeg. Yet in a place like ND with no netting we have never had an issue. Maybe its just pure coincidence, but from an outsider looking in it definitely doesn't seem that way.

Sak has taken lots of hits over the decades. Forage, water levels, etc all play a part as well.

 

[deactivated]

Why is it you never seem to hear of major walleye fisheries that don't have commercial fishing collapsing, yet we have seen it time and time again in fisheries that are subject to commercial netting? We've seen it at Red lake, Mille lacs, and soon to be Winnipeg. Yet in a place like ND with no netting we have never had an issue. Maybe its just pure coincidence, but from an outsider looking in it definitely doesn't seem that way.

Prairie pothole lakes in ND never get over fished when the perch bite is hot?? ND does not have slot limits that could potentially cause unbalanced population of walleyes that caused young walleye to become prey to big walleye. Clearer water has also had an effect on prey fish which has a relationship to walleye canibalism. There are reports out there with this information but guys like Snow ignore it because it does not fit their agenda. Easier to blame netting. No doubt netting at red lake caused a collapse but it was unregulated. Red lake still nets but with regulations.

 

[Bfishn]

Sak has taken lots of hits over the decades. Forage, water levels, etc all play a part as well.

To a certain extent, but Sak is subject to much larger water fluctuations i would have to believe? In Sak water level is everything and yet even at historic lows the fishing was very good at times. We have never seen a collapse that required extreme measures have we? Not in my lifetime.

 

[deactivated]

Sak has taken lots of hits over the decades. Forage, water levels, etc all play a part as well.

Oahe has taken a hit recently. Walleye over 20 inches died at a rate of 50% per year following the 2011 flood. Why? Because little walleye changed their diet when smelt were gone. Big walleye starved. The effects are more visible the closer you get to the dam.

 

[Colt45]

Yep. I wiped walleye off of our menu years ago for that reason. Blows my mind when I see people paying for walleye, especially around here. There shouldn't even be a market for it. Imagine how many other good things you can buy and eat for $18 a pound or less. And if a person really wants a white, flaky fish grab some $3/pound pollock and be done with it. Any "subsistence" should have monitored distribution or even consumption. The people going to the res to buy and trade for fish needs to stop.

Spot on, boycott casinos while your at it

 

[deactivated]

Spot on, boycott casinos while your at it

Be careful what you wish for. Maybe SR will start a commercial walleye operation on Oahe to make up for lost revenue.

 

[Colt45]

Be careful what you wish for. Maybe SR will start a commercial walleye operation on Oahe to make up for lost revenue.

Wouldnt suprise me, will just seperate the people more than we already are, and destroy the river and Oahe. Seems like a brilliant plan, just like the DAPL

 

[deactivated]

Wouldnt suprise me, will just seperate the people more than we already are, and destroy the river and Oahe. Seems like a brilliant plan, just like the DAPL

Because boycotting is really bringing communities together.

If SR wanted to net, they would have already done it.

 

[Colt45]

Because boycotting is really bringing communities together.

If SR wanted to net, they would have already done it.

After DAPL, I don't think the communities will ever be brought together, at least in our lifetime. I really don't want to get into a interweb fight with you, or derail this thread from the gill netting issue. Peace out bro, I hope for the sake of EVERYONE that we dont end up with gill nets in Oahe

 

[deactivated]

After DAPL, I don't think the communities will ever be brought together, at least in our lifetime. I really don't want to get into a interweb fight with you, or derail this thread from the gill netting issue. Peace out bro, I hope for the sake of EVERYONE that we dont end up with gill nets in Oahe

Yeah, peace out. Since you brought it up twice, I hope for the sake of everyone that that pipeline never leaks because the effects of a leak were never part of the approval process and everyone bent over and took it. Well, almost everyone.