Well this is going to get interesting

[DirtyMike]

I don't doubt they are crazy/stupid/brave enough to try something. Now doesn't seem like a good time to get their point across. They kill someone this weekend and the federal judge says, lock em all up and proceed with the pipeline as fast as you can, then get out. On top of that, this isn't Ferguson or Baltimore. I don't believe residents in Bismarck and Mandan will watch a mob start to loot and destroy.

Like I said, the sky is not falling.

 

[dean nelson]

That's just it this for many of them has little to do with the pipeline and much more with lashing out. I agree that Bismarck people would not stand by if it happens here but we are 30 miles from where thing are most likely to go bad and that will make a big difference especially with the road closed. This is far more BLM then it is Green Peace and I would be fairly surprised if they don't take over the construction site at some point much like they used to do back in the 70's and similar to what took place out west a few months ago.

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Ever see the show gang land? Well the pine ridge crew had their own show. They are no joke and will take crazy to the next level. Now they are the 1%ers but don't underestimate things could get real Western or hood depending on you want to look at it if things go the wrong way.

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Also cannonball after dark is not a place I would be.

The pine ridge crew is a whole other world and with them showing up it certainly won't have a calming effect. He'll all you have to do is just take a look at white clay NE on Google maps to know it's a rough place.

 

[Retired Educator]

You don't understand directly because of your white privilege. It's hard to realize that just you being white is in itself grounds to consider you a racist

I guess by that definition I might be racist. It was impossible for me to escape from white privilege. I grew up in a family that I never realized we were probably poor. Didn't realize it because I always had what I thought I needed, learned later in life that my parents worked extremely hard to provide for us and never realized how much they did with so little and providing the necessities.

I was privileged to go to college with no government help (other than student loans that were paid back entirely with interest) and the jobs I held at the time. I was privileged to work my entire life and married to a wonderful woman who also worked during our marriage. I was privileged to have parents who expected me to do well and to grow up and move out on my own. I was privileged to realize that I should save some money for the future rather than spend every dime frivolously so when I reached that age where I wanted to retire I was able to do so without being a burden on anyone else.

I was privileged to have parents who taught me right from wrong. Who decided that if I got myself in trouble I would take responsibility and fix the problem.

Now, what have i listed as a privilege that is exclusive to being born white? Not one thing. Those of you who have the fortune to know and have friends who come from minority area you also know that many of them have followed the same pattern to success. Success has nothing to do with skin color, it's all about attitude and work.

During my education career I worked with a few black students, a lot of Native American students, and a sampling of other non-white students. Not a shred of evidence to predict student success or academic ability based on color of skin. No evidence of academic success based on financial standing of the family. More than likely the upbringing had more to do with success than any other factor. If that upbringing was based on doing your best and being responsible, success was likely.

i prefer the term realist to racist.

 

[shorthairsrus]

It seems like mostly a publicity stunt. So worried about the environment, yet as many have stated most reservations are a mess with garbage quite prevalent. They seem to talk a good talk but certainly don't walk the walk. There are exceptions as I have seen some very well-kept homes and yards on reservations but I can't say it's common.

Then you have the 3 Affiliated Tribes in support and much of that oil is coming from that reservation and has helped that reservation immensely. Others have mentioned that they are camped on Corp land. Personally I don't have any idea of where they are camped other than it's certainly not on the reservation since the pipeline doesn't cross the reservation. If not corp land than I have to assume it's someone's private land. If it's private I can't understand any landowner (unless it's a member of the tribe) putting up with that mess. Will be interesting to see who cleans up the area when it's over. If it is indeed corp land than how do they allow the protesters to stay when they would not allow any other group to camp out on that land.

I am by nature not racist in any manner or form but it's things like this that irritate me to no end. Any protest should have happened when the hearings were being held. From my information there was no testimony against it from anyone representing the tribe. For me it's not the idea that they don't have a right to protest, it's how they go about it and how it always ends up with the race card being played.

Somebody who knows please clarify where they are camped --- I have been in the east a while - but from the looks of it the pipeline is going fairly close to where they put the wires across the MO. Cannonball ranch land (not sure who owns the ranch) -- Sheriff Laney said it was was on private land where the actual protest is - however from the pics the camp is on corp land. I am assuming the camp is a little walk away from barrier where the protest is taking place??

 

[dean nelson]

Just go back a page or two I have their camp laid out exactly where they are. The river next to the camp is the res boundary.

 

[shorthairsrus]

Just go back a page or two I have their camp laid out exactly where they are. The river next to the camp is the res boundary.

I should clarify and say the pipeline site. It has to be north of the turnoff into the cannonball ranch or right on the turnoff? It has to be on private property? or in a ditch as the corp land doesnt run that high.

 

[dean nelson]

It's going in roughly where the top edge of the second pic I posted is.

 

[sweeney]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAjfkEmuga8

I laugh my ass off every time they talk about the guns they have

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27 minute mark talks about homies poppin off rounds with a .410

 

[johnr]

I guess by that definition I might be racist. It was impossible for me to escape from white privilege. I grew up in a family that I never realized we were probably poor. Didn't realize it because I always had what I thought I needed, learned later in life that my parents worked extremely hard to provide for us and never realized how much they did with so little and providing the necessities.

I was privileged to go to college with no government help (other than student loans that were paid back entirely with interest) and the jobs I held at the time. I was privileged to work my entire life and married to a wonderful woman who also worked during our marriage. I was privileged to have parents who expected me to do well and to grow up and move out on my own. I was privileged to realize that I should save some money for the future rather than spend every dime frivolously so when I reached that age where I wanted to retire I was able to do so without being a burden on anyone else.

I was privileged to have parents who taught me right from wrong. Who decided that if I got myself in trouble I would take responsibility and fix the problem.

Now, what have i listed as a privilege that is exclusive to being born white? Not one thing. Those of you who have the fortune to know and have friends who come from minority area you also know that many of them have followed the same pattern to success. Success has nothing to do with skin color, it's all about attitude and work.

During my education career I worked with a few black students, a lot of Native American students, and a sampling of other non-white students. Not a shred of evidence to predict student success or academic ability based on color of skin. No evidence of academic success based on financial standing of the family. More than likely the upbringing had more to do with success than any other factor. If that upbringing was based on doing your best and being responsible, success was likely.

i prefer the term realist to racist.

You are exactly spot on.
That in the minds of a lot of minorities is the definition of white privilege. What you describe they see as only happening in the white neighborhoodSox.
We all know it as false, but what we know also is racist. Catch 22

 

[Up Y'oars]

If they flat out murder a guy, may God have mercy on their souls. The sky is not falling dean

I agree with John, some, and others, some. No, Mike, this isn't going to get to a level of Ferguson as far as looting/burning, but what about deeper altercations with law enforcement & disruption of services, traffic, vandalism, property destruction, etc. Maybe not a murder of a bulldozer operator, but a couple bullets skimming off of the top of the bulldozer engine would be enough to make the operator jump from the machine and head back to the crew truck. Simple obstacles and disruption, not murder. Keep doing that where police cannot 'find' the shooter because there are a couple thousand of people to filter through. Scare tactics. I can see that kind of stuff happening.

The camp is north of the Cannonball River, on Army Corp of Engineer land that the tribe is calling "THEIR" land. ACoE are not getting involved and aren't willing to enforce their own rules only because of the progressive politics that further the Dem's agenda. We don't know that ol' Joe Biden hasn't contacted the head of the ACoE and told him to sit back and go on a coffee break.

Meanwhile, the construction sits on private land north of the ACoE land. The tribes could care less about staying off the highway, walking through the fence, cutting wires anywhere they damn well please. They've used lasers on aircraft twice just this week alone. Crimes? So what. Who's going to tell 3,000 angry natives to turn around and go back the other direction???

The governor doesn't want that on t.v.

 

[dean nelson]

I went to school with allot of different natives in Bismark and was friends with many and enemy to none. That said non of the last longer then two years before they would disappear back to the res with some eventually ending up ato south Central. With golden parachute they have with the ability to fall back to their reservation it more or less drives to point home to them that no matter what you will always have a safety net to catch you when you fall. In the end this set up rewards failure in school instead of rewarding people doing the right thing. For me sitting here i can't for the life of me think of a native meet that I didn't like. It has to be hard to go from being the mightiest of the Plains Indians down to a group settled in a ghetto who is rapidly loosening the parts of them self that were so noble back before us. But in the end thay will have to be the one to kick off the reform.

I think the government should start a program that helps the younger generation and help lift them up out of poverty and into a stable middle class life style. This certainly wouldn't be a cure all but at least it could get the ball rolling in the right direction.

One crazy thing to think about is if this suddenly goes bat shot crazy it may well go down in history as the "last Indian battle!:;:duel

 

[DirtyMike]

I agree with John, some, and others, some. No, Mike, this isn't going to get to a level of Ferguson as far as looting/burning, but what about deeper altercations with law enforcement & disruption of services, traffic, vandalism, property destruction, etc. Maybe not a murder of a bulldozer operator, but a couple bullets skimming off of the top of the bulldozer engine would be enough to make the operator jump from the machine and head back to the crew truck. Simple obstacles and disruption, not murder. Keep doing that where police cannot 'find' the shooter because there are a couple thousand of people to filter through. Scare tactics. I can see that kind of stuff happening.

The camp is north of the Cannonball River, on Army Corp of Engineer land that the tribe is calling "THEIR" land. ACoE are not getting involved and aren't willing to enforce their own rules only because of the progressive politics that further the Dem's agenda. We don't know that ol' Joe Biden hasn't contacted the head of the ACoE and told him to sit back and go on a coffee break.

Meanwhile, the construction sits on private land north of the ACoE land. The tribes could care less about staying off the highway, walking through the fence, cutting wires anywhere they damn well please. They've used lasers on aircraft twice just this week alone. Crimes? So what. Who's going to tell 3,000 angry natives to turn around and go back the other direction???

The governor doesn't want that on t.v.

You honestly think if they start popping off rounds the state is going to sit back and let them continue? The whole thing is a PR nightmare and ND is just trying to look good on the news. If they give cause for brute force, this will be over in an instant and oil will be flowing through the pipeline before they can get to twitter.

 

[Paddledogger]

But the thing is, the Obama administration has provided a bigger safety net and made it easier for people to be get onto assistance. That's why the NBC news, which has always supported Democratic views, asked people who you would vote for and why? One lady said she is voting for "Hillary". Why? "Because she's a woman". Really, that's the only basis for your vote???? Eeeiiiyyyeee, we are such a weird as society that is afraid to educate ourselves. Google Tomi Lahren and watch some of her clips......she is one lady that just hates Obama and Hilary.

http://www.allenbwest.com/michellej...evels-hillary-gives-two-stunning-words-advice

Sorry....somewhat got off the subject matter. I do agree with someone who made the comment on here....if the DAPL does get shut down. Oil companies need to back off Fort Berthold and shut in all the wells, since they are supporting the protest. There's enough oil outside those boundaries.

 

[Wild and Free]

Well this is escalating quickly..................:;:

 

[Kurtr]

Biggest gathering since the battle of greasy grass is a slogan being said alot. Look up what greasy grass was........

 

[johnr]

This time the pinners will work against the backdrop.
Big difference between the natives of yesteryear.

Liberalism has destroyed motivation, and pride. This goes nowhere, other than a giant mess, and wasted tax dollars

 

[dean nelson]

Biggest gathering since the battle of greasy grass is a slogan being said alot. Look up what greasy grass was........

It does make the road block location next to Fort Lincoln fairly ironic! Maybe that's why they put it they're preparing for round 2!

 

[dean nelson]

Well this is escalating quickly..................:;:

The fact that that is considered art still baffles me! But it is hilarious in this situation!

 

[Retired Educator]

I went to school with allot of different natives in Bismark and was friends with many and enemy to none. That said non of the last longer then two years before they would disappear back to the res with some eventually ending up ato south Central. With golden parachute they have with the ability to fall back to their reservation it more or less drives to point home to them that no matter what you will always have a safety net to catch you when you fall. In the end this set up rewards failure in school instead of rewarding people doing the right thing. For me sitting here i can't for the life of me think of a native meet that I didn't like. It has to be hard to go from being the mightiest of the Plains Indians down to a group settled in a ghetto who is rapidly loosening the parts of them self that were so noble back before us. But in the end thay will have to be the one to kick off the reform.

I think the government should start a program that helps the younger generation and help lift them up out of poverty and into a stable middle class life style. This certainly wouldn't be a cure all but at least it could get the ball rolling in the right direction.

One crazy thing to think about is if this suddenly goes bat shot crazy it may well go down in history as the "last Indian battle!:;:duel

Agree completely, from my experience the ratio of Native Americans considered as good people is the same as for any other group of people. Having a backup of the reservation life-style does them no favors. From my experience they are often thought of as uppity if they leave the reservation and become successful. No incentive to improve and even looked down upon if they do.

A program to improve this life and eventually do away with the reservations would go a long way towards improving the Native Americans life. At this point you can't simply cut off all the benefits but there needs to be a plan to eventually do away with them and allow everyone to be self-sufficient. Living off the government isn't good for them or the government.

Nothing in the Native American History suggests that the tribes were always provided for. Long before the white man moved west tribes were completely self-sufficient. Proud people they were and the government has reduced them to the state in which they currently live. Someone will argue that they are still proud. BS for many of them. Drive around a reservation and look at the high rate of alcoholism, drug use, no job for many, houses that are dilapidated, wrecked cars in the yard and tell me that proud people live there. There are proud people on every reservation but for me as a whole, I'm not convinced that the percentage is very high.

 

[Up Y'oars]

Look out! Amnesty International is now going to "monitor" the protest.

SRST has also petitioned the UN for human rights violations. That means a couple of resolutions from China & Russia to implement sanctions against the USA? lol