Fishing access fenced off...

[Stan's Dad]

So if your 65 and have to use a cane to walk you should just stay home and not fish.

thanks for putting words in my mouth. When people abuse something such as shore access, something is bound to happen.

 

[gst]

thanks for putting words in my mouth. When people abuse something such as shore access, something is bound to happen.

So by that line of thinking we should ban guns?

 

[Stan's Dad]

So by that line of thinking we should ban guns?

yes thats exactly what i meant!!

 

[guywhofishes]

gst - famous for leaps of logic that can scale tall buildings

 

[Brian Renville]

Not trying to sound elitist or anything like that at all. I want as many opportunities for everyone to enjoy the outdoors,,,, but if you cant walk a couple hundred yards its time to look in the mirror and make some better life choices. ATV's are the jet ski of the land. annoying as hell usually. My guess is this wasnt an issue until some jackass' decided to tear up the beach/trails

Gear, cooler, bait, bucket(god fobid a guy wants to keep a pike to put in it and take home). I know how much alot of guys on here love it when people C&R their beloved walleye eaters. Add a kid or two into that equation and holy smokes that's a hike. Honestly if the rules were this way when I was a kid I'd probably have never got into fishing. None of those guys would have even bothered to take us kids out. Lets keep in mind this isn't a casting/flyfishing area where a guy can pack light, a pole and a little box of lures with him and do just as well as someone with something that belongs in a cooler or a bucket. Can a guy catch a few like that, yes but not even close to a preferred method.

I'm with you though that ATV's are a pain in the ass and I believe that the ones causing the problems aren't the ones fishing. I hate the garbage most of all, we keep far more buckets of garbage than fish. Mostly booze remnants for sure. I wish there was a way to exercise some discretion when making the rules. I'm going to fish anyway I can handle it, I grew up in the area and I make it work. Just something about making it harder for folks to do something good for their families or to just be a guy trying to make a quick trip out rubs me the wrong way. We can even take fishing out of it. If a family wants to get a spot away from the yelling, cussing, and drinking and just hang out and let the kids play in the water, it's tough to pack light with kids, they have to go on quite a hike. Most would rather stay in town and find something else. All because they can't drive from the road to the lake. I'm also a guy that generally stays away from others when fishing if i can hear another persons conversation I feel like I'm too close even then the situation still annoys me that it makes things less available to people.

Let's also keep in mind the area we are talking about isn't the bird habitat in question. From my understanding they nest on sand bars that predators would have to swim to. Reality is if they want that habitat back Garrison Dam has to go. As crazy as it sounds there are groups trying just that. They got their hooks in Montana at intake now and they have targets on every other dam in the system. They pick a species and run with it. All it takes is for a judge(don't turn your back on the 9th district) to hear the case and taxpayers will be on the hook for legal fees that will make recreation impact dollars pointless.

 

[Stan's Dad]

Gear, cooler, bait, bucket(god fobid a guy wants to keep a pike to put in it and take home). I know how much alot of guys on here love it when people C&R their beloved walleye eaters. Add a kid or two into that equation and holy smokes that's a hike. Honestly if the rules were this way when I was a kid I'd probable have never got into fishing. None of those guys would have even bothered to take us kids out. Lets keep in mind this isn't a casting/flyfishing area where a guy can pack light a pole and a little box of lures with him and do just as well as someone with something that belongs in a cooler or a bucket. Can a guy catch a few like that, yes but not even close to a preferred method.

I'm with you though that ATV's are a pain in the ass and I believe that the ones causing the problems aren't the ones fishing. I hate the garbage most of all, we keep far more buckets of garbage than fish. Mostly booze remnants for sure. I wish there was a way to exercise some discretion when making the rules. I'm going to fish anyway I can handle it, I grew up in the area and I make it work. Just something about making it harder for folks to do something good for their families or to just be a guy trying to make a quick trip out rubs me the wrong way. We can even take fishing out of it. If a family wants to get a spot away from the yelling, cussing, and drinking and just hang out and let the kids play in the water, it's tough to pack light with kids, they have to go on quite a hike. Most would rather stay in town and find something else. All because they can't drive fron the road to the lake. I'm also a guy that generally stays away from others when fishing if i can hear another persons conversation I feel like I'm too close and I the situation still annoys me that it makes things less available to people.

Let'as also keep in mind the area we are talking about isn't the bird habitat in question. From my understanding they nest on sand bars that predators would have to swim to. Reality is if they want that habitat back Garrison Dam has to go. As crazy as it sounds there are groups trying just that. They got their hooks in Montana at intake now and they have targets on every other dam in the system. They pick a species and run with it. All it takes is for a judge(don't turn your back on the 9th district) to hear the case and taxpayers will be on the hook legals fees that will make recreation impact dollars pointless.

Thumbs Up agreed. I wasnt trying to ruffle feathers. I can see from both sides i guess.

 

[Fracman]

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Not trying to sound elitist or anything like that at all. I want as many opportunities for everyone to enjoy the outdoors,,,, but if you cant walk a couple hundred yards its time to look in the mirror and make some better life choices. ATV's are the jet ski of the land. annoying as hell usually. My guess is this wasnt an issue until some jackass' decided to tear up the beach/trails

Guess I interpreted this line wrong then.

 

[guywhofishes]

actually - you might have that quieter location due to the fence

I'd be making hay on the circumstance and getting a leg up on everyone else

 

[DirtyMike]

No, hes saying, if you can't swing your belly a couple hundred yards, maybe some life choices need to be considered. A disability is a completely different situation. Fat and lazy isn't a disability.

 

[guywhofishes]

http://www.rodrack.com/fishing-carts/fish-n-mate/

 

[Fishmission]

Nice...but it will need several bungees in different lenghts to keep stuff from falling out

 

[Fracman]

No, hes saying, if you can't swing your belly a couple hundred yards, maybe some life choices need to be considered. A disability is a completely different situation. Fat and lazy isn't a disability.

And I am defending the guy that has been fishing that spot for 50 years that his dad and granddad took him that want to take his grandchildren to fish but can’t get there cause it s fenced off

 

[Brian Renville]

And I am defending the guy that has been fishing that spot for 50 years that his dad and granddad took him that want to take his grandchildren to fish but can’t get there cause it s fenced off

Actually in the area we are talking about there is a spot named for a guy who probably fished there for 50 years, now it's at least a 3/4 of a mile walk to get there legally.

 

[CAH]

Yes, it sucks that a few have to ruin it for the many, but those that can’t respect it have to be kept out. It’s like the m&m bowl... if you have a bowl full of m&ms and you know that 10 of them are poisonous, would you grab a handful and eat?? Probably not. And don’t use the old man argument. That’s about the same type of argument when people say we should allow abortions for all women and say “what about rape cases, those aren’t fair! Those women shouldn’t have to have a baby!”

Its a shame that people ruin a good thing... but it’s better to have some fences, then to let people destroy the beautiful things God created.

 

[DirtyMike]

And I am defending the guy that has been fishing that spot for 50 years that his dad and granddad took him that want to take his grandchildren to fish but can’t get there cause it s fenced off

Don't get me wrong, I'm with ya.

 

[Fracman]

Let’s look at this from a different angle. Why is the shore line in north west being fenced off to keep “atv” away from shoreline? When in Bismarck they have “The Desert”? Does these two Birds not nest in that part of the state?

 

[Brian Renville]

I’d be ok with some decent enforcement for once as a compromise. COE is a prick of an absentee landlord, rarely there but when they peek in they make peoples lives a living hell. Instead of posting signs and building fences put a couple guys on patrol. I bet they spent quite a few years of salaries building those fences, ya know because the government always gets the most bang for their buck and all. Make sure people aren’t cruising, just going from road to spot. Dealing with littering, glass bottles, other asshole behavior, would benefit everyone. Put some of their wasted tax money to use for a change and maybe even give a few guys living in the area a career in the process.

 

[Bfishn]

Let’s look at this from a different angle. Why is the shore line in north west being fenced off to keep “atv” away from shoreline? When in Bismarck they have “The Desert”? Does these two Birds not nest in that part of the state?

Because the Desert is a designated ATV area. There are plenty of sandbars that are off limits.

 

[DirtyMike]

Let’s look at this from a different angle. Why is the shore line in north west being fenced off to keep “atv” away from shoreline? When in Bismarck they have “The Desert”? Does these two Birds not nest in that part of the state?

I, for one, don't recreate with off-road vehicles in the desert. I find fishing anywhere near that area to be torture because of the noise. If it went away, I wouldn't shed a tear. However, people do enjoy it and I see plenty of pickups hauling 2 and 4 wheeled toys that direction. Not my cup of tea but I just have a different flavor.

 

[gst]

thanks for putting words in my mouth. When people abuse something such as shore access, something is bound to happen.

So when someone shoots up a school (abuse gun rights) we should all lose gun rights? Isn;t that the same argument people like David Hogg are making?

So please explain how that is such a "leap of logic"?

As I understand it last summer I beleive it was the Corp closed access to shore fishing somewhere south ? of Bismarck. The reason I beleive was similar garbage ect...... So instead of simply punishing those leaving garbage or tearing up stuff with 4 wheelers everyone that shore fishes is impacted.

So people spoke out and it was changed.


I had a discussion with the refuge manager a few years back about why snowmobiles are not permitted on Darling for ice fishing. He said people would leave the lake and tear around on the refuge. I asked why not make it a $1000 fine and loss of snowmobile to punish those abusing the priviledge? No response.

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No, hes saying, if you can't swing your belly a couple hundred yards, maybe some life choices need to be considered. A disability is a completely different situation. Fat and lazy isn't a disability.