Baltimore bridge collapse

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Soooo not a conspiracy theory guy persay…but could this ship have been hacked? Ship lost power…I don’t know a whole bunch about them but with anything of this size you would think there would be redundancy built into there systems. I know they are also connected to the good old World Wide Web. Makes a guy wonder a little bit.

With that said horrible accident and prayers to those it affected.
 


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Just showed the enemy another way to take down our infrastructure.
Just read where Biden said the good old U.S. Taxpayer is going to pay for rebuilding this bridge.
Do you think they will get the ship or shipping company to reimburse us? :unsure:
The port of Baltimore generates 3.3 billion in revenue with over 400 million in tax revenue so it might be in the country’s best interest to get it up and running again as it will pay for its self or we could cry around and shipped goods will just have another reason to go up in price again. It would not matter who was the president they would be saying the same thing. If only everything was so black and white fact is the real world lives in the grey.
 

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Fuck those guys sound retarded at least speak with a little intelligence if you’re going to talk about something. The smoke comes out of the thingy…. Guy looks like he should be driving a jacked up pickup with a nut sack hanging from the back in the backen with his white framed glasses. How many backen points is that?
 

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I agree with the loss of power, but unless the channel runs that close to the bridge support why the hell was it even that close to being with? Maybe the video is sped way up or the angle is deceiving, but to me if he was going straight, and was right in between the supports he wouldn't have drifted that far off course before they got it fired back up..
It could have been having power failures before it appeared in the picture and even when the power comes on, on a ship that large, the steering mechanism might not function immediately. It could have been unable to steer for a while before it came into the picture, or slow down. Unless anyone here has expertise in how these giant ships function, we really dont have enough wisdom or knowledge to even speculate at this point.
 


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My question is this a draw bridge for large ships to go under and if not why is this ship soooo close to the brige in the first place.
 

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My question is this a draw bridge for large ships to go under and if not why is this ship soooo close to the brige in the first place.
No, not a draw bridge. They're saying it lost power. It was on line to go right through the middle until it lost power, then it all went to shit.
 

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They were dead stick for a long time before they hit. It sounds like the smoke you see was the emergency generator kicking on, not main power. They were full rudder well before they got to the bridge. Did the anchor contribute? Who knows. But they were trying to stop or avoid for a long time before it hit.

All this conspiracy crap is ridiculous. Crap happens sometimes. And from the comments here it sounds like most of us walleye boat captains are fully qualified to run a cargo ship too?
 


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The port of Baltimore generates 3.3 billion in revenue with over 400 million in tax revenue so it might be in the country’s best interest to get it up and running again as it will pay for its self or we could cry around and shipped goods will just have another reason to go up in price again. It would not matter who was the president they would be saying the same thing. If only everything was so black and white fact is the real world lives in the grey.
the owner of the ship is responsible for the damages and their bonding or insurance company will have to pay.

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All vessels over 300 gross tons are required to apply for a certificate of financial responsibility (COFR) with the US Coast Guard National Pollution Funds Center. The COFR process was implemented as a result of the Oil Pollution Act of 1990 (OPA90) and evidences that there is a responsible party on file who can be held financially liable in the event of an oil spill.
This process is normally handled by the vessel owner in conjunction with their P&I club, surety, or OPA 90 Compliance firm.
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The VGP requires that owners/operators provide annual reports in the EPAs eNOI system. A link to the eNOI portal can be found here.

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In addition to federal conditions, there are state specific requirements that must be obtained before vessels enter into state waters. For example, Alaska, Washington, California and Oregon all have state specific Oil Spill Removal Organization (OSRO) coverage. Meanwhile, both Texas and Louisiana require all vessels to register and file their Ship Oil Pollution Emergency Plan (SOPEP) with the state. Whether you're calling port in the US for the first time or the 100th, following these regulations is a crucial part to the success of your ship's voyage. With lead-times spanning up to 30 days, proper planning and execution is vital when entering US waters. Gulf Marine Contractors (GMC) has an industry experienced support team available to help your vessel secure the right documents in a time efficient manner. Please contact us if you'd like more information on working in US Waters or on the US Outer Continental Shelf (OCS).
 

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the owner of the ship is responsible for the damages and their bonding or insurance company will have to pay.

FOREIGN-FLAGGED VESSELS ENTERING US PORTS FACE MANY REQUIREMENTS​

Perhaps the most important and anticipated part of a ship's voyage is arriving at port. While it's an exciting time for vessel owners, there are a number of complexities involved in the process.
As difficult as it can be for a US-flagged vessel to remain compliant with all current federal requirements, things are far more challenging for a foreign-flagged vessel.
Once every few months we work with vessel operators who are calling US ports for the first time. In addition to general duties, there are several long lead-time federal requirements foreign vessel operators must meet prior to trading in US waters. Below we've put together a list of four requirements to help vessel owners be compliant with US maritime laws and regulations:

1. CERTIFICATE OF FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY (COFR)​

All vessels over 300 gross tons are required to apply for a certificate of financial responsibility (COFR) with the US Coast Guard National Pollution Funds Center. The COFR process was implemented as a result of the Oil Pollution Act of 1990 (OPA90) and evidences that there is a responsible party on file who can be held financially liable in the event of an oil spill.
This process is normally handled by the vessel owner in conjunction with their P&I club, surety, or OPA 90 Compliance firm.
Application process is online and approximately 21 days. There is a one-time, non-refundable application fee of $200 and an additional fee of $100/vessel. To verify if your vessel has a current COFR on file—you can search the USCG COFR database.

2. NON-TANK VESSEL RESPONSE PLANS (NTVRP) AND SOPEP AUTHORIZATION​

The US Government has mandated that non-tank vessel owners or operators are to prepare and submit oil or hazardous substance discharge response plans for certain vessels operating on the navigable waters of the United States. This rule applies to owners or operators of a self-propelled, non-tank vessel of 400 gross tons or greater, which operates on the navigable waters of the United States.
Generally, the VRP is developed in conjunction with the vessel owners contracted OPA 90 compliance firm and Oil Spill Recovery (OSRO) contractor. Vessel Response Plans take normally 2-3 weeks to be reviewed and authorized and approval status can be queried on the USCG VRP Status Board.



3. NATIONAL POLLUTANT DISCHARGE ELIMINATION SYSTEM (NPDES) —VESSEL GENERAL PERMIT (VGP)​

The Clean Water Act (CWA) establishes authority for the NPDES permitting program to regulate discharges incidental to the normal operation of a commercial vessels. This includes a broad range of discharges such as ballast water, bilge water, grey-water (e.g., water from sinks, showers), and deck wash-down and runoff. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) controls these incidental discharges primarily through the Vessel General Permit (VGP).
Vessels over 79ft length overall (LOA) who plan operate/call US waters (0-3 miles) are required to comply with the VGP and submit an electronic notice of intent (NOI). The purpose of the NOI is for the vessel owner/operator to certify a vessel has implemented sufficient policies to ensure compliance with the VGP inspection, monitoring and documentation requirements. Vessels that have not previously submitted an NOI needs to submit a NOI at least 30 days prior to operating in US waters.
Once the NOI is submitted, you'll receive a confirmation documentation includes a certificate of coverage and official copy of the completed NOI form, both auto-generated by the EPA. Copies of these two documents must be maintained on board the vessel and made available upon request to USCG during Port State Control Inspections.
The VGP requires that owners/operators provide annual reports in the EPAs eNOI system. A link to the eNOI portal can be found here.

4. STATE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS​

In addition to federal conditions, there are state specific requirements that must be obtained before vessels enter into state waters. For example, Alaska, Washington, California and Oregon all have state specific Oil Spill Removal Organization (OSRO) coverage. Meanwhile, both Texas and Louisiana require all vessels to register and file their Ship Oil Pollution Emergency Plan (SOPEP) with the state. Whether you're calling port in the US for the first time or the 100th, following these regulations is a crucial part to the success of your ship's voyage. With lead-times spanning up to 30 days, proper planning and execution is vital when entering US waters. Gulf Marine Contractors (GMC) has an industry experienced support team available to help your vessel secure the right documents in a time efficient manner. Please contact us if you'd like more information on working in US Waters or on the US Outer Continental Shelf (OCS).
Im sure there will be a fair amount of legal wrangling going on with that. For the time being they will fund it and if the company does end up paying then you can say they paid it back. I would guess they just claim bankrupcy and the us is going to be footing the bill regardless
 


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Mexico criticises US over treatment of migrant workers after Baltimore bridge collapse​


The president of Mexico has criticised the US over its treatment of migrant workers who do “risky jobs at midnight” after six were killed in the Baltimore bridge disaster.

Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said that “insensitive, irresponsible” politicians did not understand the contribution of migrants in the US, including the workers who were plunged into the freezing Patapsco River when the Dali container ship destroyed the Francis Scott Key Bridge.

Three of the eight workers on the bridge at the time of the incident were Mexican, with the remainder from Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras. Two were found alive on Tuesday but the other six are missing, presumed dead.

Mr Lopez Obrador said: “This demonstrates that migrants go out and do risky jobs at midnight, and for this reason they do not deserve to be treated as they are by certain insensitive, irresponsible politicians in the United States.” :mad:

Maybe Mexico should keep them in their own country then. ...boozer...
 

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Mexico criticises US over treatment of migrant workers after Baltimore bridge collapse​


The president of Mexico has criticised the US over its treatment of migrant workers who do “risky jobs at midnight” after six were killed in the Baltimore bridge disaster.

Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said that “insensitive, irresponsible” politicians did not understand the contribution of migrants in the US, including the workers who were plunged into the freezing Patapsco River when the Dali container ship destroyed the Francis Scott Key Bridge.

Three of the eight workers on the bridge at the time of the incident were Mexican, with the remainder from Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras. Two were found alive on Tuesday but the other six are missing, presumed dead.

Mr Lopez Obrador said: “This demonstrates that migrants go out and do risky jobs at midnight, and for this reason they do not deserve to be treated as they are by certain insensitive, irresponsible politicians in the United States.” :mad:

Maybe Mexico should keep them in their own country then. ...boozer...
Are the migrants? or illegal aliens?
There is a huge difference, and the employer of them is to be on the hot seat, not the rest of Americans.
Man I hope Trump wins
 


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