Model 12 Winchester

[svnmag]

He talks about the I37 and W97:

 

[svnmag]

The first time I handled a '97 in Jr. High; I got a hell of a gouge(S) down the meat of my right hand. I "knew" how to operate it without demonstration or instruction. I damn well KNEW then. I've got little scars all over my hands. There is zero evidence of this retardation(?).

Also; (no shit) I once killed a grouse flushing straight away then slam-fired another to my hard left without shouldering the gun: It was like a report pair. The dogs were on the first. "Luckily", I just blew a wing off the "second" as a full pattern hit would've destroyed "it". It was an easy find and I had to wring it's neck. Not a fan... It was pure instinct and a bad decision in a few aspects.

That is all.

 

[NodakBob]

I ended up with my late father-in-law’s 1957 model 12 waterfowl special 3” 12 ga. …hasn’t been shot in over 50 years. The video makes me want to take it to the range!

 

[SDMF]

I ended up with my late father-in-law’s 1957 model 12 waterfowl special 3” 12 ga. …hasn’t been shot in over 50 years. The video makes me want to take it to the range!

Those have a VERY tight full choke.

Solid rib or no rib?

 

[svnmag]

I ended up with my late father-in-law’s 1957 model 12 waterfowl special 3” 12 ga. …hasn’t been shot in over 50 years. The video makes me want to take it to the range!

FUN FACT(S): That gun is WinSteel as opposed to "Nickle Steel": It's designed for a shotcup yet will still likely shoot tighter than hell with lead.

Even as both variants could be factory converted to 3in; the bbls are not rated for steel shot. M12's are essentially not "rare" at this time (your gun a minor exception if it's a Heavy Duck--IDK if it's a factory conversion(?!): You could install tubes or use alternative soft shot if you wanted to hunt waterfowl.

 

[Pheasant 54]

I have a 1954 model 12 new in box with the hang tag

 

[svnmag]

The first time I handled a '97 in Jr. High; I got a hell of a gouge(S) down the meat of my right hand. I "knew" how to operate it without demonstration or instruction. I damn well KNEW then. I've got little scars all over my hands. There is zero evidence of this retardation(?).

Also; (no shit) I once killed a grouse flushing straight away then slam-fired another to my hard left without shouldering the gun. It was like a report pair. The dogs were on the first. "Luckily", I just blew a wing off the second as a full pattern hit would've destroyed it. It was an easy find and I had to wring it's neck. Not a fan. It was pure instinct and a bad decision in a few aspects.

That is all.

This^^^was a 12ga "Nickle" with a 29in bbl. I no longer own it.

 

[AR-15]

Don't send them to Winchester to get something fixed, they will disable the guns so it won't slam fire, they would sure take care of a old frig or a deep freeze back when we were kids

 

[riverview]

i have my dad's model 12 hasn't been shot in a lot of years.

 

[svnmag]

 

[NodakBob]

Those have a VERY tight full choke.

Solid rib or no rib?

No rib, just a tiny bead.

 

[USMCGrunt]

I inherited my dad‘s old Model 1912 after he passed away. This is an old 1914 vintage gun I grew up shooting however, after actually learning a thing or two, it’s seldom ever shot anymore. The reason is the ammo availability. It wasn’t until I believe 1937 that 2 3/4” became the standard length for the 12 gauge. Many guns that predate this, including my 1912, had 2 1/2” chambers. No idea how it survived all those years shooting 2 3/4” shells but once I found out about that, it’s been retired to a life of family heirloom. Sure, I got a flat of factory new production 2 1/2” shells I found on ammoseek.com just to say I got shells for it but I generally shoot my more modern guns these days.

 

[SDMF]

I think it’s 2 9/16.

Shooting a shotgun shell that’s too long for the chamber likely raises pressure some as the crimp doesn’t open fully. Biggest problem for the shooter is likely that the shotgun won’t pattern worth a hoot as the war probably hangs up and doesn’t keep the shot packed together well going down the bbl. Additionally I suspect much of the shot payload deforms there in the “pinch-point” as well.

2nd biggest problem is that the ejection port might not be long enough to eject the longer empties.

Grand scheme, you can’t “blow up” a shotgun without somehow obstructing the bbl.

 

[svnmag]

I inherited my dad‘s old Model 1912 after he passed away. This is an old 1914 vintage gun I grew up shooting however, after actually learning a thing or two, it’s seldom ever shot anymore. The reason is the ammo availability. It wasn’t until I believe 1937 that 2 3/4” became the standard length for the 12 gauge. Many guns that predate this, including my 1912, had 2 1/2” chambers. No idea how it survived all those years shooting 2 3/4” shells but once I found out about that, it’s been retired to a life of family heirloom. Sure, I got a flat of factory new production 2 1/2” shells I found on ammoseek.com just to say I got shells for it but I generally shoot my more modern guns these days.

12ga M12s were only 2 3/4/3in. The "16" is the only bastard/shitass.

 

[svnmag]

20ga was 2 3/4.

 

[svnmag]

I think it’s 2 9/16.

Shooting a shotgun shell that’s too long for the chamber likely raises pressure some as the crimp doesn’t open fully. Biggest problem for the shooter is likely that the shotgun won’t pattern worth a hoot as the war probably hangs up and doesn’t keep the shot packed together well going down the bbl. Additionally I suspect much of the shot payload deforms theyre in the “pinch-point” as well.

2nd biggest problem is that the ejection port might not be long enough to eject the longer empties.

Grand scheme, you can’t “blow up” a shotgun without somehow obstructing the bbl.

^^^^Correct. IME: MY port wasn't shaved: It's necessary to jack "hard" to clear a hull and occasionally get a cracked head:

"Basketball" @40 with "HB: "Softballish" @ 40 with "low brass":

I appreciate the validation: The collector value has been ruined by: hot blue; shaving the forcing cone and TruOil on the furniture. It's still "proud":

All Hail George Madis: HAIL:

That is all.