Sporting Clays

[1lessdog]

Hahaha ,like I said I squaded with Tom Knapp twice at shooting events,benelli sponsored Tom,he traveled with his gun vault in his truck he had several benelli shotguns do you really believe he only used one shotgun? and had a gunsmith that traveled with him great guy marine vet and his favorite .22 rifle including Remington 870's for different applications using a pump. Do you have experience in the trap game? Or just spewing bullshit? Our breech shogun block wear from constant opening and closing fyi when the block wears the top level which is always off center becomes center eventually the breech will not lock,goodluck educate youself youngster,further our specialized breech shotguns are European, could be the gauge streel used to build these shotgun unlike Japanese browning and such what you think you know is incorrect but party on.

I hunted with Tom and was at some Exhibition. He didn't have a vault in his pickup. He had a platform in the bed of the pickup with drawers under it too store his firearms. I seen all his guns and never once seen a 870.
You don't have to be a shooter to understand that a break open shotgun is going to wear out the pivot pin when being opened. But being a registered shooter you would know these things. And I never once seen a gunsmith with Tom. But being a registered shooter you would know them all.
Party on dude.

 

[svnmag]

Hahaha ,like I said I squaded with Tom Knapp twice at shooting events,benelli sponsored Tom,he traveled with his gun vault in his truck he had several benelli shotguns do you really believe he only used one shotgun? and had a gunsmith that traveled with him great guy marine vet and his favorite .22 rifle including Remington 870's for different applications using a pump. Do you have experience in the trap game? Or just spewing bullshit? Our breech shogun block wear from constant opening and closing fyi when the block wears the top level which is always off center becomes center eventually the breech will not lock,goodluck educate youself youngster,further our specialized breech shotguns are European, could be the gauge streel used to build these shotgun unlike Japanese browning and such what you think you know is incorrect but party on. Sadly Tom told me his illness kept him from forfilling his contract with benelli so benelli U.S.A. shut down his show and sponsorship, he was a heavy smoker and lung cancer took his life,man the stories he had. He had a redneck side kick towards the end Tim something? Thought he would carry on the tradition but disappeared.

38min. May be worth your time. "Gun Stories" on Outdoor Channel has a 2min version. It's not on YT:



Unwatchable Ron Spomer (missing a trigger--fake sidelocks ):

 

[OL Deadeye]

Yup I remember this youngster when I shot north and south dakota big registerd shoots,can't remember the kids name but as good as he was he eventually got interested in girls lol... his first name was Jessie his dad was a great supporter,kid shot a perazzi combo,big money smoke pole.

Nope his name was Cody he shot a Lujutic for 16y and Handicap and a Browing Citori for Double Trap I heard he may of gotten a Kreighoff now. On high end guns never seen a hinge pin break, springs need replacing mostly just for maintenance after 50 thousand rounds which happens a lot when running the trap circuit

 

[snow2]

Nope his name was Cody he shot a Lujutic for 16y and Handicap and a Browing Citori for Double Trap I heard he may of gotten a Kreighoff now. On high end guns never seen a hinge pin break, springs need replacing mostly just for maintenance after 50 thousand rounds which happens a lot when running the trap circuit

Different young man,Jessie moltre is who I remember junior AA shooter,oh to be young again,hand eye coordination, reflexes.

 

[SDMF]

I started early.

You know, I've been wondering about that photo and patch. Given that there's only 1/2 of you in the pic, did you actually shoot a 25? Or, are you doing the cryptic Svnmag thing and expecting us to realize that the half-pic means you shot a 12.5?

 

[SDMF]

semi autos can't hold up like our breech shotgun 's,only part that eventually wears out is the breech block from opening and closing after each target when worn the breech won't lock when closing easily repaired semi autos not so much

WTF are you talking about regarding "breech-block"? Were you shooting a converted Trapdoor Springfield or Zulu Snider?

Break action shotguns don't have a "Breech Block". They have a breech face, locking lug near the bottom either screwed or soldered to the bbl set or machined into the bbl block, recesses/trunnions (on the sides between the bbls on a Beretta), and a locking lug, cross-pin usually near the top, or top-lock.

Most non-idjuts would go to an oversized locking lug rather than hammer on the locking-lug recesses. In the case of some of the target specific O/U's, they'd replace the lug abutment trunnions (Beretta 682 et. al) and possibly add an oversized or replace w/new OEM locking lug. Or in the case of Krieghoff, Rem 3200, Valmet/Tikka/Savage the top-lock.

Some of the AL framed O/U's have a steel insert press-fit into a dovetail on the breech face but typically that's on field guns that won't see the number of rounds which would require replacement of the steel face.

I suppose a hinge-pin could wear if one were lazy w/the grease, that still ain't a "Breech Block".

Regarding a Semii-Auto. No thing at all to replace the locking lug on the bolt, or the whole bolt, and/or the bbl if the locking-lug's mating surface is no longer viable. It's about a 10Min job to replace a bolt-buffer @ the back of the receiver. Action bars are about a 30Sec fix. Recoil return springs/housings anywhere from 30-sec to 30Min depending on if you have to remove the butt-stock or just the forearm and action bar to replace. Gas pistons are a 30-sec swap, trigger groups, <2-min. If you're trying to be "thrifty" and just replace the hammer and springs in a trigger group it might take 45min-1hr to dis-assemble/re-assemble. A semi-auto is every bit as "rebuildable" as any fixed-breech break action shotgun.

 

[snow2]

Ffs okay breech shotguns,we call them breech block,you obviously catch my drift,further semi autos eventually wear out completely for the shooters shooting all three events 1000's of rds/weekly which is rare for semi autos are referred to as flat shooting 50/50 pattern poi @30yds w/o mods not conducive for serious trap shooting rising targets as shooter needs to cover the target with a flat shooting shotgun rather than float the target with a 60/40 ,70/30 poi or in my case 100% poi @30yds dialed in as the target dances in the wind especially on the back fence 27yd line, shoot whatever makes you happy, my insight is mpo from the last 20yrs in the game, coached by national champion shooters not to argue on a outdoor sight about semantic's

 

[Kurtr]

If your going to talk top level national shooting shouldn’t attention to detail matter.

 

[snow2]

If your going to talk top level national shooting shouldn’t attention to detail matter.

sd must have smithing background he always has good insight few shooters shoot competitive trap with semi autos let alone haul around replacement parts or have the time during competition me only thing i ever replaced on my perazzi was the leaf springs on the trigger/hammer trigger group and that was a challenge, hell my tool box is bailing wire, duct tape, pliers,and screw drivers most of us trap shooters just shoot as anything regarding repair our shotguns@ all registered shoots had a few mobile gunsmiths,hearing protection ppl,shooting glasses professionals. So no to answer your question in my case besides not much detail to pay attention to on our breech shotguns besides cleaning, bullet proof no matter the make ,trigger group spring loaded,easily drops out after every shoot to release pressure on hammer springs ( perazzi shotguns) anything else she ships out

 

[svnmag]

You know, I've been wondering about that photo and patch. Given that there's only 1/2 of you in the pic, did you actually shoot a 25? Or, are you doing the cryptic Svnmag thing and expecting us to realize that the half-pic means you shot a 12.5?

?

 

[SDMF]

Im blue color or was sd has smithing background he always has good insight.

I am not, never have been, doubtfully ever will be a gunsmith. I don't even wanna be one. I did learn a bunch of maintenance stuff out of necessity. Was real simple @ our house, if you can't maintain it, you can't shoot/drive it. If I wanted to move on from that single-shot Stevens 20Ga, I'd better start paying attention or just outright cleaning dad's shotguns so I could have more than 1 shot. The 1100 dictated I'd better learn fast how to tear it down, clean it, and get it put back together. Mother F'n WD-40 taught me more than any book. Rem-Oil w/Teflon (vs. anything w/Silicone) was a GOD-SEND!! I could go at least 2 weeks without having to tear-down, clean, and re-assemble my own and dad's 1100's. Cleaned shotguns was a part of the deal just like loading the ammo.

Circa 1986/87-ish dad had a 12Ga Rem 1100 cut down to ~12LOP and a longer fixed full bbl chopped back to 22" and added screw-in chokes. It shot all of 70/30 high, maybe more, I know I didn't have to cover anything to kill it. I worked 2 summers @ the trap club and decided all trap-shooters are ASSHOLES!! Every single god-damned one of them. Doubt I've shot more than 10 rounds of honest-to-goodness "Trap" since I was ~14. There's one shooter/head club douche-bag in particular who's gotta be closer to 80 than 70 who if I saw, I might still kick his ass for being such a complete A-hole to us "trap kids".

I shot youth league the 2 summers I worked @ the club. Had to have 100 rounds re-sized on a MEC re-sizer so they'd run in an 1100 and then loaded on a Lee Load-All by Thursday afternoon before dad got in off the road. 50 for each of us, or I stayed home. Pre-Steel shot, it was my job to count 25 4-buck pellets into primed/charged/wad 12Ga shells, hand them back and dad would crimp them. Dad's buddy had 2 boys, the 3 of us couldn't quite keep up with the 2 dad's counting out buckshot while the dad's did the rest. The 4-buck was for Sandhill Cranes. Pretty sure dad had a serious vendetta against those things after the 1st few times he hunted them, hit several w/#4's, then #2's, and lead BB's that just kept on flying.

Swapped over to 302/303 Beretta's when I was in high-school and I was in HEAVEN!!

Wanna shoot gophers, no problem, but, better figure out how to keep that Marlin 60 or 10/22 running.

Got into high-school, got a driver's license and Prairie Dogs were only ~45Min drive. Shoot all the 223 ammo I want, but, I'd better load it back up so there was plenty if dad wanted to go. When dad set up the Dillon 550 I thought I'd died and gone to reloading heaven!! Never had to pay for ammo or components, just had to make sure I re-loaded what I shot. About that same time, maybe a little earlier, neighbor bought a progressive PW shot-shell loader. I had to run all the hulls through the single-stage re-sizer so the hulls would run through our semi-autos. I'd do 55Gal garbage cans full of 12Ga empties on that Muther F'n MEC de-primer/re-sizer. However, I was out of college and on my own before I really had to buy any ammo of any sort beyond the odd box of 22's.

Scope mounting, trigger jobs, stock-swaps, semi-auto shotgun & rimfire tear-down/clean/re-assembly, Shot-shell and centerfire reloading, all by Jr. High school and all in a little louvered-door hidden utility room off the basement bathroom.

'Smithing background, I hardly think so. Knowledge born out of dirty hands and a well-chewed ass.

 

[svnmag]

I am not, never have been, doubtfully ever will be a gunsmith. I don't even wanna be one. I did learn a bunch of maintenance stuff out of necessity. Was real simple @ our house, if you can't maintain it, you can't shoot/drive it. If I wanted to move on from that single-shot Stevens 20Ga, I'd better start paying attention or just outright cleaning dad's shotguns so I could have more than 1 shot. The 1100 dictated I'd better learn fast how to tear it down, clean it, and get it put back together. Mother F'n WD-40 taught me more than any book. Rem-Oil w/Teflon (vs. anything w/Silicone) was a GOD-SEND!! I could go at least 2 weeks without having to tear-down, clean, and re-assemble my own and dad's 1100's. Cleaned shotguns was a part of the deal just like loading the ammo.

Circa 1986/87-ish dad had a 12Ga Rem 1100 cut down to ~12LOP and a longer fixed full bbl chopped back to 22" and added screw-in chokes. It shot all of 70/30 high, maybe more, I know I didn't have to cover anything to kill it. I worked 2 summers @ the trap club and decided all trap-shooters are ASSHOLES!! Every single god-damned one of them. Doubt I've shot more than 10 rounds of honest-to-goodness "Trap" since I was ~14. There's one shooter/head club douche-bag in particular who's gotta be closer to 80 than 70 who if I saw, I might still kick his ass for being such a complete A-hole to us "trap kids".

I shot youth league the 2 summers I worked @ the club. Had to have 100 rounds re-sized on a MEC re-sizer so they'd run in an 1100 and then loaded on a Lee Load-All by Thursday afternoon before dad got in off the road. 50 for each of us, or I stayed home. Pre-Steel shot, it was my job to count 25 4-buck pellets into primed/charged/wad 12Ga shells, hand them back and dad would crimp them. Dad's buddy had 2 boys, the 3 of us couldn't quite keep up with the 2 dad's counting out buckshot while the dad's did the rest. The 4-buck was for Sandhill Cranes. Pretty sure dad had a serious vendetta against those things after the 1st few times he hunted them, hit several w/#4's, then #2's, and lead BB's that just kept on flying.

Swapped over to 302/303 Beretta's when I was in high-school and I was in HEAVEN!!

Wanna shoot gophers, no problem, but, better figure out how to keep that Marlin 60 or 10/22 running.

Got into high-school, got a driver's license and Prairie Dogs were only ~45Min drive. Shoot all the 223 ammo I want, but, I'd better load it back up so there was plenty if dad wanted to go. When dad set up the Dillon 550 I thought I'd died and gone to reloading heaven!! Never had to pay for ammo or components, just had to make sure I re-loaded what I shot. About that same time, maybe a little earlier, neighbor bought a progressive PW shot-shell loader. I had to run all the hulls through the single-stage re-sizer so the hulls would run through our semi-autos. I'd do 55Gal garbage cans full of 12Ga empties on that Muther F'n MEC de-primer/re-sizer. However, I was out of college and on my own before I really had to buy any ammo of any sort beyond the odd box of 22's.

Scope mounting, trigger jobs, stock-swaps, semi-auto shotgun & rimfire tear-down/clean/re-assembly, Shot-shell and centerfire reloading, all by Jr. High school and all in a little louvered-door hidden utility room off the basement bathroom.

'Smithing background, I hardly think so. Knowledge born out of dirty hands and a well-chewed ass.

So, am I in the clear of your vengeance or not worthy of acknowledgement?

"Being mean is lame. What's cool is being nice":

 

[SDMF]

So, am I in the clear of your vengeance or not worthy of acknowledgement?

"Being mean is lame. What's cool is being nice":

Dude, you know you speak in tongues. About 9/10 it's funny, like watching the unlearned trying to follow Dennis Miller's humor. That other 10%, you're barking in Aardvark to Pterodactyls.

 

[svnmag]

Dude, you know you speak in tongues. About 9/10 it's funny, like watching the unlearned trying to follow Dennis Miller's humor. That other 10%, you're barking in Aardvark to Pterodactyls.

I'll take that. Thanks--a hell of a lot: Did I say something retarded about shotgun shells?

 

[SDMF]

I'll take that. Thanks--a hell of a lot: Did I say something retarded about shotgun shells?

Nah, it’s more about Jiffy than you.

 

[snow2]

Dude, you know you speak in tongues. About 9/10 it's funny, like watching the unlearned trying to follow Dennis Miller's humor. That other 10%, you're barking in Aardvark to PterodactMikey.

Well sd I'll say your knowledge of maintenance is far superior than any knuckle heads I shoot with,agreed on hot head trap and skeet shooters and attitude guyz at my club in mn have been okay,not much inner action with trap kids other than they load the house, keep score, voice activated callers I do remember old days kids pulling (i called score keepers) would have a slight delay when pull was called old fart would bitch after loss at the poor kid calling "slow pull" in hopes of another try, but all the clubs I shot at I wish I took notes one entire chapter would be trap shooters excuses,I herd them all from gopher's popping up next to the trap house as pull was called to deer roaming at the 50yd stake or the cloud shadow came over just when i called pull or the wind gust tailwind pushed the target down...
Etc.... hilarious.

 

[Jiffy]

Everyone knows I’m retarded…no secret there.

 

[OL Deadeye]

Well sd I'll say your knowledge of maintenance is far superior than any knuckle heads I shoot with,agreed on hot head trap and skeet shooters and attitude guyz at my club in mn have been okay,not much inner action with trap kids other than they load the house, keep score, voice activated callers I do remember old days kids pulling (i called score keepers) would have a slight delay when pull was called old fart would bitch after loss at the poor kid calling "slow pull" in hopes of another try, but all the clubs I shot at I wish I took notes one entire chapter would be trap shooters excuses,I herd them all from gopher's popping up next to the trap house as pull was called to deer roaming at the 50yd stake or the cloud shadow came over just when i called pull or the wind gust tailwind pushed the target down...
Etc.... hilarious.

My daughter learned how to shoot at Metro Gun Club in Blaine MN. she was 14 every one of those older guys not only offered advice but support to her. she went on to win 4 straight MN high School Girls state titles but also 2nd team All American by the age of 18. Still have a lot of respect for those guys Iam sure a lot of them have Passed away by now. Still one of the Best duck and Goose shooters you will ever see in a Blind

 

[snow2]

Yup,my stomping grounds growing up,back in the 60's metro was called the "Winchester gun club" my pops had me shooting the duck tower,humbling at first but what a learning experience never told my hunting buddies where I practiced as we competed for bragging rights afield.

When I retired spending my summers in Minnesota I got my coaching permit and taught high school seniors taking trap shooting course,we had 300+ students gun safety course first then the range plus once a month ladies day at the range free lessons no male involvement, even had the ladies learn handgun shooting indoor range.

Seems I remember a league team name "deadeye" that be you?

Rick did a great job expanding his club it all started when Ziggy eye balled the club for his new viking stadium endeavors, ole Rick saw $$ signs expanding his trap range to 15 trap houses 5 skeet/5 stand fields bought two new vehicles boat,cabin on leech lake... his neighbor at the club entrance raised and trained gun dogs a developer bought the property im sure after the word got out about the viking stadium interest, his property sold for several millions according to Rick so who knows? Even anoka county tried getting involved wanted the property dnr slapped a fine on the gun range for lead pollution (high water table) on the 135 acres... what a shitshow back then

Then poof! No stadium deal...

Good on you getting your daughter involved in shooting sports well done metro had a few good ole boyz always hanging out at the range playing cards telling stories, good times thanx for the memories. Sadly the sport has become so expensive both ammo and target costs.