Who is in favor of slot limits

slots

  • slots

    Votes: 23 23.7%
  • no slots

    Votes: 74 76.3%

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SDMF

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Remember the glory days on oahe "90's" big fish everywhere, then it went to a daily limit of 12 dinks.

And the generous limits of smaller fish worked to sustain a great fishery, then, by accident, they learned that gizzard shad make for an acceptable substitute for rainbow smelt in the event of a "smelt flush". Because of that they averted forage base deficiencies in '08, '09, '11, and '12.
 


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I'm neither for or against slot limits. But I have a few questions for the arm chair biologists on here.

1. Do minimum size limits "work"? If I fishery is full of 10-13" fish. Will not keeping those help?

2. What can a slot limit hurt? Besides realesing fish that are too big and having them die later.

comparing keeping pig walleyes and shooting trophy bulls is very funny. And I'm not even a biologist

Look at it this way Bowhunter_24, walleyes and white tails have the same basic biological needs. Food, Cover, Security. Water is kind of a moot point here so I'll skip that one. A body of water, much like an section of land, can only support so many walleyes or deer. A minimum length does the same as minimum number of points for deer. It doesn't increase the walleye population or the deer population, it just increases the pressure on one segment of the population, just like the antler restrictions. Most deer won't ever reach 160 inches of horn and in the same way most walleyes won't make ever make it to 8 lbs. It's not in their DNA. Does that make more sense??

As far as the slot limits, their has been quite a bit of research done on the subject, and the data shows that slot limits neither help, nor hurt a walleye population. So having a slot limit is needless frustration for fishermen who want to keep those fish, it's needless enforcement for wardens, fishermen choosing a location to go fish may choose to go where there is not a slot limit which hurts those businesses that benefit from having fishermen utilize that body of water. Those are just a few I could come up with.

And I will add this: Whoever was/is giving bad rep to riverfisher, iceeye, or anyone else for voicing their opinions IS A DISGRACE. EVERYONE has the right to speak out. That is what this site is for. Don't turn this site into the crap flinging shrite show the other site became.
 

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I remember 10-15 years ago on fishingbuddy when it seemed it was "me against the world" on the topic of no slots...Wow have opinions changed.
 

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I'm neither for or against slot limits. But I have a few questions for the arm chair biologists on here.

1. Do minimum size limits "work"? If I fishery is full of 10-13" fish. Will not keeping those help?

2. What can a slot limit hurt? Besides realesing fish that are too big and having them die later.

comparing keeping pig walleyes and shooting trophy bulls is very funny. And I'm not even a biologist

Here's how slot limits "hurt" a fishery. Let's say I am a not particularly good fisherman (easily believable), and I am going to catch and keep the first 5 fish that come into the boat. I catch a 15, 15, 17, 20, and 25 inch limit of eyes. If there's a slot that says I can only keep 17-20" fish, I have 3 fish that I need to throw back. So I get lucky and catch 3 in the slot to fill out my limit before I call it a day. I have now caught a total of 8 fish with 3 released. Tagging studies show conclusively that there is only about a 30-50% chance that my released fish will ever be caught again. Most likely reason is because they died due to having been caught, improperly handled, and unceremoniously tossed back into the water. Hell, I see 12" walleyes floating in the river every year in the middle of a swarm of boats.

S0...how many fish did I kill that day? Science would suggest I killed something over my limit. Probably 6 total fish, maybe even 7 just to keep my limit of 5. The tighter the slots, the more this happens.

If you want a way of reducing human mortality on fish, you need to implement a "first 5 over the gunwale" limit. Meaning, you keep what you catch until you have your limit and then you are done. This is kind of similar to NDGFs paddlefishing rules (seriously, who thinks they'd have a C&R day if it weren't for political reasons?). For years they had a "you hook it, you keep it" rule in place.
 


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I remember 10-15 years ago on fishingbuddy when it seemed it was "me against the world" on the topic of no slots...Wow have opinions changed.

Science and Research have a funny way of doing that. Sorry I wasn't on that other site 10-15 years ago, you would have had an ally.
 

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I remember 10-15 years ago on fishingbuddy when it seemed it was "me against the world" on the topic of no slots...Wow have opinions changed.

I've been with you the whole time. But you're right, it seems the anti-slots side has either gained supporters, or found their voice.
 

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Here's how slot limits "hurt" a fishery. Let's say I am a not particularly good fisherman (easily believable), and I am going to catch and keep the first 5 fish that come into the boat. I catch a 15, 15, 17, 20, and 25 inch limit of eyes. If there's a slot that says I can only keep 17-20" fish, I have 3 fish that I need to throw back. So I get lucky and catch 3 in the slot to fill out my limit before I call it a day. I have now caught a total of 8 fish with 3 released. Tagging studies show conclusively that there is only about a 30-50% chance that my released fish will ever be caught again. Most likely reason is because they died due to having been caught, improperly handled, and unceremoniously tossed back into the water. Hell, I see 12" walleyes floating in the river every year in the middle of a swarm of boats.

S0...how many fish did I kill that day? Science would suggest I killed something over my limit. Probably 6 total fish, maybe even 7 just to keep my limit of 5. The tighter the slots, the more this happens.

If you want a way of reducing human mortality on fish, you need to implement a "first 5 over the gunwale" limit. Meaning, you keep what you catch until you have your limit and then you are done. This is kind of similar to NDGFs paddlefishing rules (seriously, who thinks they'd have a C&R day if it weren't for political reasons?). For years they had a "you hook it, you keep it" rule in place.


Yeah I pointed that out in my post about releasing fish and having them die.

Basically the guys who fish everyday and throw back gut hooked 12" eyes and 26" eyes and also keep a limit of 16" males are much harder on a fishery than farmer joe who keeps every pig he catches. Funny part about that is the guys bitching to farmer joe are the ones that fish every day and are so awesome because they release so many fish.
 

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I am going to start keeping my share of the limits of 4-6lb fish and I hope your kids never catch fish out of this river in years to come cause we didn't preserve it

i respect your opinion (tho i disagree with it), but you dont have to be a d-bag about it
 

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Tagging studies show conclusively that there is only about a 30-50% chance that my released fish will ever be caught again.
you'll have to show me that study, because all the tagging info I've seen from walleyes to hammerhead sharks is between 1 and 20%, and a recatch after that, the percentage falls to almost nothing. I thought the ND walleye tagging % caught & reported was somewhere around 13%
 
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I'm neither for or against slot limits. But I have a few questions for the arm chair biologists on here.

1. Do minimum size limits "work"? If I fishery is full of 10-13" fish. Will not keeping those help?

2. What can a slot limit hurt? Besides realesing fish that are too big and having them die later.

comparing keeping pig walleyes and shooting trophy bulls is very funny. And I'm not even a biologist

The answer to the minimum size restriction is no in lakes that receive moderate to high pressure. The over fish get taken as soon as they become legal size and soon you get a pile of fish right below the legal limit. Few get to grow up beyond that. The lake has to be able to produce a huge amount of fish and have lots of forage to overcome this. Look at Sharpe and especially Francis Case in SD. The each have a 15" minimum. FC gets pounded because it is the first open water of the season. You can catch fish for days and struggle to get a limit. Another lake I fished on had a 14" minimum. I ice fished in college for 4 days straight over Chrismtas break catching over 200 fish total. Four of those were over 14".

I am sure there are cases where a minimum makes sense but all the stars have to line up.
 

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Science and Research have a funny way of doing that. Sorry I wasn't on that other site 10-15 years ago, you would have had an ally.

I love the age of information where 15 minutes at a computer and conversation with a hundred other people doing the same can weed out bullshit very efficiently.
 

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deleted post it was getting bad rep . You all won't see another report from me if this is what you think is bad rep worthy good bye. And who ever gives bad rep and your comment is "idiot" your moma didn't rais you right go slap her in the face

Ha! The butthurt is strong with this one...
 


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Originally Posted by riverfisher I am going to start keeping my share of the limits of 4-6lb fish and I hope your kids never catch fish out of this river in years to come cause we didn't preserve it

I think someone must be new to fishing the Missouri. It seems like every time someone starts hammering fish down there they start crying for a slot worried the sky will fall, its been happening since the 80s. The fishing will just keep getting better until the next forage and water drop.
 

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No kidding about the opinion change from 10 years ago on Fishingbuddy. I swear I was the only one (or one of the only ones) who was anti-slot limit at the time. Back then (and to a lesser extent now) you were a villain if you kept any fish over 4 lbs.

I must say that even with all of the pressure and all of the technology the Missouri River consistently produces a lot of nice fish.
 

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Names definitely need to be assigned to any rep given, positive or negative.

Yes indeed, there is enough fuel there for a big fire. So far it has been just a small flame here and there.

I say NO on slots limits. Even if there ever is Biological evidence to change my mind it would only be lake by lake , Not the whole state.
 

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I am going to start keeping my share of the limits of 4-6lb fish and I hope your kids never catch fish out of this river in years to come cause we didn't preserve it

You are one man. You will not have an impact unless you gain Hitler like support to rid the world of walleye.
 


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