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Not a day goes by that I'm not shaking my head at the stupidity in Little Minneapolis. Apparently the city of Fargo is oblivious to all of the existing home-based FFLs already in town. I don't understand why this guy even went to the city. They don't even need to be notified. If they "found out" and wanted to shut him down, they'd seek advice from council before taking action. Said council would then inform the city of Fargo that there's not a damn thing they can do about it. This is a long standing a well known state century code that I've personally discussed with the ATF. Our federal friends are very straightforward about the fact that you don't need permission from any municipality in ND to sell guns from your home with an FFL.

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62.1-01-03. Limitation on authority of political subdivision regarding firearms.



A political subdivision, including home rule cities or counties, may not enact any ordinancerelating to the purchase, sale, ownership, possession, transfer of ownership, registration, orlicensure of firearms and ammunition which is more restrictive than state law. All such existingordinances are void.





http://www.inforum.com/news/4016796-fargo-man-challenges-city-rule-banning-home-gun-sales

[h=1]Fargo man challenges city rule banning home gun sales[/h]FARGO – A north Fargo resident is challenging the city's rejection of his plan to sell guns out of his home near Edgewood Golf Course.
City officials told Andrew Curtis that gun sales are not allowed under city rules regarding home occupations.
Curtis plans to argue his case at a Tuesday, April 26, meeting of the city's Board of Adjustment at Fargo City Hall.
Curtis, 3420 Birdie St. N., is working to obtain a federal firearms license from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that would allow him to process Internet firearm sales from his home. But he won't get the license unless his operation conforms to local laws.
Curtis said part of his business plan would be to act as a go-between when an online gun seller sells a firearm to someone in the Fargo area.
In a situation like that, he said the gun would be shipped to him and when the proper papers are filled out and federal requirements are satisfied, he would give the buyer the firearm at his residence.
Curtis said he also wants to sell firearms over the Internet, which would involve acquiring firearms and shipping them to other licensed dealers who would act as middlemen between Curtis and those who buy guns from him.
Firearm sales are among the types of businesses specifically prohibited as a home occupation under the city's Land Development Code. Other prohibited occupations include vehicle repair, dispatch services, mortuaries, animal care and grooming, and adult entertainment.
In his appeal of the city staff's decision, Curtis cites state law that says a city cannot enact an ordinance relating to the sale of firearms and ammunition that is more restrictive than state law.
City Attorney Erik Johnson has issued a legal opinion stating that Curtis does not point to any state statute that would permit him to sell firearms as a home occupation.
On the other hand, Johnson said the Legislature gives cities the authority to enact ordinances that restrict the use of home residences. He argues Fargo's ordinance "promotes the health, safety, and general welfare of the community by not allowing residents to have the home occupation of selling firearms."
Johnson said his opinion is supported by the experience of other jurisdictions that have dealt with similar situations involving nearly identical state statutes.
Fargo Planning Director Jim Gilmour said the city doesn't have numbers for how many small home occupations operate in Fargo, but he said most involve things like consulting, sewing and personal care services.

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Note to self: Fargo City Attorney Erik Johnson may have earned his JD online. I don't know how the hell else he could issue a legal briefing that completely ignores anything in NDCC 62.1-01-03.

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"City Attorney Erik Johnson has issued a legal opinion stating that Curtis does not point to any state statute that would permit him to sell firearms as a home occupation."


This guy must come from the BH Obama "Constitution is a list of negative liberties" school of law, where individuals are only permitted to do things that are specifically permitted under the law, not just things that are not restricted under the law. There's just so much stupid here.
 


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I'm not so sure the city can't argue that he isn't living in a commercially zoned lot so he can't conduct business out of his home.
 

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Why can't he rent a business office to conduct sale of fire arms unless he doesn't want to let uncle Sam know how much revenue he is making. Rent a shop problem solved, I know I wouldn't like living next to an arms dealer. What if he gets robbed and shoots someone.
 

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I'm not so sure the city can't argue that he isn't living in a commercially zoned lot so he can't conduct business out of his home.
So all those people selling stuff on ebay are going to have to stop? Haven't read our laws on sales of guns if there is a tripping point where the state draws a line between private and a business but if there isn't then the law looks pretty cut and dry.
 


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Why can't he rent a business office to conduct sale of fire arms unless he doesn't want to let uncle Sam know how much revenue he is making. Rent a shop problem solved, I know I wouldn't like living next to an arms dealer. What if he gets robbed and shoots someone.

Your not serious -- right --- I am going to take that comment is a joke. Because if you are --- that is the whole issue with society today. They are trying to FIX something that isnt broke. Having a legal business in your home should be allowed. The part that is broke is the "robber" -- that is an easy fix - find - cut off arm that robbed along with a cold wet dark we jail cell.
 

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Why can't he rent a business office to conduct sale of fire arms unless he doesn't want to let uncle Sam know how much revenue he is making. Rent a shop problem solved, I know I wouldn't like living next to an arms dealer. What if he gets robbed and shoots someone.

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Ha ha says the guy who doesn't bring oars while fishing in a boat. Now that was dumb right kickemup
My post was not dumb it was a honest opinion.

Fargo Planning Director Jim Gilmour said the city doesn't have numbers for how many small home occupations operate in Fargo, but he said most involve things like consulting, sewing and personal care services.
Land Development Code. Other prohibited occupations include vehicle repair, dispatch services, mortuaries, animal care and grooming, and adult entertainment.

He argues Fargo's ordinance "promotes the health, safety, and general welfare of the community by not allowing residents to have the home occupation of selling firearms."

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Your not serious -- right --- I am going to take that comment is a joke. Because if you are --- that is the whole issue with society today. They are trying to FIX something that isnt broke. Having a legal business in your home should be allowed. The part that is broke is the "robber" -- that is an easy fix - find - cut off arm that robbed along with a cold wet dark we jail cell.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news guys because little Minneapolis is changing, with a lot more criminal activities such as shootings and robberies. This article is poorly written with no one knowing how many small arms dealers there are in Fargo. Why can't this man rent a commercial property where the ordinance of such business is allowed.

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Where is I sell guns at maybe he can shed some light on this mess
 
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Ha ha says the guy who doesn't bring oars while fishing in a boat. Now that was dumb right kickemup
My post was not dumb it was a honest opinion.

Fargo Planning Director Jim Gilmour said the city doesn't have numbers for how many small home occupations operate in Fargo, but he said most involve things like consulting, sewing and personal care services.
Land Development Code. Other prohibited occupations include vehicle repair, dispatch services, mortuaries, animal care and grooming, and adult entertainment.

He argues Fargo's ordinance "promotes the health, safety, and general welfare of the community by not allowing residents to have the home occupation of selling firearms."

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news guys because little Minneapolis is changing, with a lot more criminal activities such as shootings and robberies. This article is poorly written with no one knowing how many small arms dealers there are in Fargo. Why can't this man rent a commercial property where the ordinance of such business is allowed.

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Where is I sell guns at maybe he can shed some light on this mess

How is it that the guns I purchase are more dangerous while stored in this Curtis fellow's gun safe in his home than they are once they're stored in my safe at my home? Is there some evidence to suggest that storefront gun stores in Fargo are attracting crime? why would a home-based FFL create a dangerous or unsafe environment? Home-based FFLs have to follow every single last rule that a storefront FFL has to follow.

Again, there are existing home FFLs already in Fargo. Curtis is paying taxes to the city of Fargo so they can afford to unsuccessfully defend themselves against the lawsuit he's going to bring against them. How nice. F****** idiots.

I also contacted my assistant police chief when I considered selling firearms from my house as an FFL years ago. He cited NDCC saying that even if the city wanted to restrict me from doing it they don't have the authority to, let alone any interest in doing so.

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For the record, that's two law enforcement agencies, one municipal and one federal, who both cited the same NDCC in explaining to me how a city cannot restrict home gun sales in ND. ATF even used an example of how in one city in ND, an individual who runs a home business must submit a signed permission form from every resident who lives within 150 ft of the property, so as not to piss off your neighbors. However, this ordinance could not be applied to the sale of firearms because it created more onerous restrictions than was required by state law and therefore was void and unenforceable.
 


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What is the law against selling guns in your home via Internet? Also how long ago did you contact the police about selling firearms in your home slim?
Thanks for clarification so if he can persuade his neighbors into allowing him to sell guns in his home I don't see any reason not to let him. Having support from your neighborhood would be except able in my opinion.

OK know that I have seen where he lives from Google Earth, his home is within distance of a insurance Agency, also his home is adjacent to Commercial Property. I can see your point now slim.
I am wrong he does have the right to sell guns in his home if there are commercial business in his neighborhood.
 
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Should I have oars in my boat probably. Will I put some in there no just another thing in the way I would bet that 90% of people don't have a oar in there boat.
 
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I wonder what percent of businesses start in basements and garages? Hoping to grow big enough to someday have a store front.
 

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So all those people selling stuff on ebay are going to have to stop? Haven't read our laws on sales of guns if there is a tripping point where the state draws a line between private and a business but if there isn't then the law looks pretty cut and dry.
nope because they aren't entering the property
 

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I'm calling shenanigans. How is this guy even able to post? I wish y'all would stop quoting the idiocy.
 


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Should I have oars in my boat probably. Will I put some in there no just another thing in the way I would bet that 90% of people don't have a oar in there boat.
kickemup, you are right my original post was hastily written which was dumb, but oars are mandatory in North Dakota.
 

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Wonder how fast a guy could paddle a 3000 pound fiberglass boat. Sorry I must be as dumb as kickemup because I don't have oars in my boat.
 


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