another tag thread

[Zogman]

https://link.grandforksherald.com/c...rc2hlcmFsZA/5db351d005e94e7139438226Cab02ade8

 

[zoops]

I'm really not a big deer guy but they need to reimagine something here. Let the landowners have their tags, whatever, but make some sort of pot of tags for average Joes. Having zero tags available to the general public is bad on many fronts.

 

[KDM]

Remember, these are the same so called "educated" people that came up with "We have to kill the deer to keep them from dying of CWD." Same "educated" people that poo poo winter feeding. Same "educated" people that prefer having mountain lions in ND eating the deer herd rather than have more deer for hunters. Same "educated" people that rent out acres and acres of state land for cattle grazing rather than leave it alone to grow habitat for wildlife. These are the same "educated" people that refuse to put one dime to controling EHD. Which is a proven herd killer, but can't spend enough on CWD. I think the issue has more to do with the decisions being made in Bismarck rather than the landscape only being able to hold so many deer. But what do I know.

 

[Icepirate]

Remember, these are the same so called "educated" people that came up with "We have to kill the deer to keep them from dying of CWD." Same "educated" people that poo poo winter feeding. Same "educated" people that prefer having mountain lions in ND eating the deer herd rather than have more deer for hunters. Same "educated" people that rent out acres and acres of state land for cattle grazing rather than leave it alone to grow habitat for wildlife. These are the same "educated" people that refuse to put one dime to controling EHD. Which is a proven herd killer, but can't spend enough on CWD. I think the issue has more to do with the decisions being made in Bismarck rather than the landscape only being able to hold so many deer. But what do I know.

For the life of me, I can't understand why so many people in ND refuse to believe habitat loss is a major issue in ND.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

The article was written by Brad Dokken. Someone who is very connected to the non-profits. These NGO's have created a culture inside GnF. The yes men. All other voices are drowned out.

What KDM said is spot on. GnF DVM Charlie Bahnson testified to the legislature, "we need to buy time, taking the deer herd numbers way down will mean less deer on the landscape potentially spreading CWD. It will take time to find a cure. During which time the best tool in the toolbox is less deer spreading less CWD." (paraphrasing)

And then GnF hosts summits etc. saying we need more habitat to raise more deer. (Huh) Which is it?

Cwd testing, rules and regulations need a large infusion of cash. Habitat needs a large infusion of cash.

Crisis crisis crisis..........to grow our business and influence, we at GnF need more of other people's money.

 

[lunkerslayer]

Getting rid of gratis tags will never happen and if gnf do decide to go one tag system good luck finding land to hunt on.

 

[guywhofishes]

“I do think there are some opportunities that would improve the gratis system, like tying it to farm income in addition to the acreage requirement”

how so? anybody know wtf he’s talking about here?

 

[garden]

Remember, these are the same so called "educated" people that came up with "We have to kill the deer to keep them from dying of CWD." Same "educated" people that poo poo winter feeding. Same "educated" people that prefer having mountain lions in ND eating the deer herd rather than have more deer for hunters. Same "educated" people that rent out acres and acres of state land for cattle grazing rather than leave it alone to grow habitat for wildlife. These are the same "educated" people that refuse to put one dime to controling EHD. Which is a proven herd killer, but can't spend enough on CWD. I think the issue has more to do with the decisions being made in Bismarck rather than the landscape only being able to hold so many deer. But what do I know.

I suspect that coyotes are also having a sizeable impact on deer numbers. I have had a couple of ranchers/farmers tell of finding multiple fawn skulls around coyote dens. And it is a know fact also that the coyotes actively prey on adult deer. I don't have a suggestion how to control their numbers, but a reduction in coyote numbers seems like it would help the number of deer in the state.

 

[KDM]

I suspect that coyotes are also having a sizeable impact on deer numbers. I have had a couple of ranchers/farmers tell of finding multiple fawn skulls around coyote dens. And it is a know fact also that the coyotes actively prey on adult deer. I don't have a suggestion how to control their numbers, but a reduction in coyote numbers seems like it would help the number of deer in the state.

Don't disagree. However, coyotes can be trapped, snared, and shot with very few restrictions 24/7 including thermals at night. Other than putting a bounty on them, I don't know what else could be put in place to promote more hunter/trapper pursuit.

 

[1lessdog]

I suspect that coyotes are also having a sizeable impact on deer numbers. I have had a couple of ranchers/farmers tell of finding multiple fawn skulls around coyote dens. And it is a know fact also that the coyotes actively prey on adult deer. I don't have a suggestion how to control their numbers, but a reduction in coyote numbers seems like it would help the number of deer in the state.

Coyote numbers will only go up when the the food supply is high. With Deer numbers down. The Coyotes will have less pups and continue to go down till there food supply goes back up. It a way for Mother Nature keeping animals in check. Ever notice the wet years when we have lots of Frogs. The Coon population takes off.

 

[Lou63]

ok stepping into the frying pan,

land that has any kind of govt. payment, subsidy etc then it should be considered to be like plots. farmer/landowner is getting taxpayer money then open it up, if they do not want to open the land to sportsmen and continue to post it then don't apply for or accept any taxpayer money. pretty simple

gratis tags. a lot of land out here is leased out and the owner doesn't even live in the area/state.

if not actively involved in the farming/ranching then no gratis. pretty simple

 

[huntemup]

I understand your frustration but if it were not for some government programs on some land I owuld safely bet that there would be alot less land for habitat, which is the number one need for any game in the wild. Take away the gratis tags and you will lose several more acres from landowners who will post it up tighter than it already is .Some land is inherited and handed down to family members who have a different occupation and cannot get into farming, but have probably grown up hunting all their lives. It owuld be pretty hard to cut them out. Just be careful what you wish for

 

[1lessdog]

ok stepping into the frying pan,

land that has any kind of govt. payment, subsidy etc then it should be considered to be like plots. farmer/landowner is getting taxpayer money then open it up, if they do not want to open the land to sportsmen and continue to post it then don't apply for or accept any taxpayer money. pretty simple

gratis tags. a lot of land out here is leased out and the owner doesn't even live in the area/state.

if not actively involved in the farming/ranching then no gratis. pretty simple

If you want to know how much farmers are getting in subsidies payments look on this website. It goes by county's so if a farmer has land in other county's you have to look.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

 

[NDSportsman]

Just get rid of gratis tags and everyone is in the same lottery system. Private land is already posted up anyway. The threat of that went away with the dodo about 30 years ago. Everyone should be under the same system. The deer wander wherever they want sometimes it's off public land onto private sometimes it's the opposite. Just because you own a chunk of land doesn't mean you have anymore right to that deer then any other joe smoe. You should have to draw a tag in the lottery like everyone else.

 

[LBrandt]

Even. Odd. Lottery one year and gratis the next. Gives Joe the hunter a chance. LB

 

[MarbleEyez]

Just get rid of gratis tags and everyone is in the same lottery system. Private land is already posted up anyway. The threat of that went away with the dodo about 30 years ago. Everyone should be under the same system. The deer wander wherever they want sometimes it's off public land onto private sometimes it's the opposite. Just because you own a chunk of land doesn't mean you have anymore right to that deer then any other joe smoe. You should have to draw a tag in the lottery like everyone else.

Good luck with that one. If this happens, all of the "Average Joe's" will really have fun trying to get access to any type of private land.

The NUMBER 1 problem with these low herd numbers is HABITAT!!! Everywhere you look there is tree rows getting tore out and old CRP getting disked up and ready to farm. The ONLY way to re-direct this drastic swing back to a more "conservational" way of thinking is by boosting another program like we had in the late 90's and early 2000's with the CRP program. Look at what the wildlife population was at that point in time. ND deer licenses given out in 2005 was 145,000. This all revolves around the price per acre given to the "evil" landowners. When the last contracts for CRP were up for renewal, the price per acre in our county was $22/ac. The average cash rent at that point in time was $60/ac. Of course any landowner who lives out of the area is going to rent their land out for 270% more return!

 

[NDSportsman]

There's little to no access on private land now anyway. Nothing compared to 30 years ago and it's only getting worse so time to end it.

 

[1bigfokker]

Whatever happened to highly erodible land? It seems that corn and beans solved that problem

 

[MULEDEER]

To answer the Hell land(highly erodable) the options are you plant a high crop one year wheat/ corn and the next year a low like soybeans. You have to do this for crop insurance if you buy insurance not all farmers do
As for tree rows being tore out many have reached there life span.