another tag thread

[Fester]

There's little to no access on private land now anyway. Nothing compared to 30 years ago and it's only getting worse so time to end it.

This 100% a few years ago was trying to get a youth tag filled. You wouldnt belueve how many land owners said nope or only after we have filled ours during regular season. Ended up filling on public land. Get rid gratis..one tag system. Stop all farm subsidies if land isnt open to the public to hunt..

 

[SupressYourself]

Don't disagree. However, coyotes can be trapped, snared, and shot with very few restrictions 24/7 including thermals at night. Other than putting a bounty on them, I don't know what else could be put in place to promote more hunter/trapper pursuit.

Just let me know where they are. """""""

 

[KDM]

Just let me know where they are. """""""

Shoot one, swing it around, and I'll bet you'll hit two more.

 

[Jiffy]

I understand your frustration but if it were not for some government programs on some land I owuld safely bet that there would be alot less land for habitat, which is the number one need for any game in the wild. Take away the gratis tags and you will lose several more acres from landowners who will post it up tighter than it already is .Some land is inherited and handed down to family members who have a different occupation and cannot get into farming, but have probably grown up hunting all their lives. It owuld be pretty hard to cut them out. Just be careful what you wish for

Post it up!!

 

[wslayer]

Does anyone know of anywhere that depredations payments that are paid out is posted at ? Our money, public is entitled to know.

 

[PrairieGhost]

We always hear complaints about no respect for landowners, but do we ever hear no respect for hunters? Sure there are to many jerks with guns, but how about the big NO from landowners who couldn't make it without the tax dollars they are given. They say they work for it. No they do not. The crop has to come in one way or another, and their hand in your pocket through the gov trough is frosting, and it's poured out in the $billions.
I fear that respect for each other is an endangered attribute. Every time I hear the threat of we will post everything I think to myself what organization can I give money to that will fight to end all farm subsidies. The landowners that say we will post everything are arrogant asses because there are ten times as many of us as them and politicians listen to numbers.


The pay to hunt started with outfitter leasing and non residents. I was concerned about disease back durring the high fence debates, but not nearly as concerned as I was of the type of people turning an American tradition into their profit at our expense of tradition and money. They say you pay for access. We know thats a lie. We hear ducks unlimited ( which I don't belong to) is bad but kiss up for groups like Farm Bureau. They are ultimately the type that will destroy our second amendment, because lack of sportsmen will be lack of second amendment support. They don't care because their wallets will be full. They are part of the elitist culture that believes that what is theirs is theirs and what is yours is theirs. They will condemn all gov spending but for what they are given, and their lobbyists are in DC right now bribing some and threatening others for more money. This year they get to sell their beans to our greatest enemy, take our tax dollars, and still want the billions Trump gave them when they thought they couldn't sell to China. That was a farce anyway because Brazil will buy them, then sell them to China. In the end profit is made by sales, subsidies, and a fake cry of loss of sales. When did aiding (feeding) the enemy become no longer be treason?

 

[MarbleEyez]

There's little to no access on private land now anyway. Nothing compared to 30 years ago and it's only getting worse so time to end it.

The reason for this is because everything has changed from 30 years ago. 30 years ago, people used to come help the farmer/rancher during branding time or help fix fence in the spring/summer. People would come help with harvest. You see minimal to NONE of that anymore. Everyone just wants to show up the day before deer season and expects the red carpet rolled out! When the last time you saw or heard from them was a year prior before deer season

Also, the Government Subsidies is a very slippery slope. The price to the consumer will increase 300%+ on any and all foods. Good luck feeding a family of 4 when a box of 16oz pasta is $14 and milk is $11/gal. That's the entire reasoning for the Government Subsidies when it pertains to Agriculture is to keep food "reasonably priced" for the consumer.

 

[Maddog]

We always hear complaints about no respect for landowners, but do we ever hear no respect for hunters? Sure there are to many jerks with guns, but how about the big NO from landowners who couldn't make it without the tax dollars they are given. They say they work for it. No they do not. The crop has to come in one way or another, and their hand in your pocket through the gov trough is frosting, and it's poured out in the $billions.
I fear that respect for each other is an endangered attribute. Every time I hear the threat of we will post everything I think to myself what organization can I give money to that will fight to end all farm subsidies. The landowners that say we will post everything are arrogant asses because there are ten times as many of us as them and politicians listen to numbers.


The pay to hunt started with outfitter leasing and non residents. I was concerned about disease back durring the high fence debates, but not nearly as concerned as I was of the type of people turning an American tradition into their profit at our expense of tradition and money. They say you pay for access. We know thats a lie. We hear ducks unlimited ( which I don't belong to) is bad but kiss up for groups like Farm Bureau. They are ultimately the type that will destroy our second amendment, because lack of sportsmen will be lack of second amendment support. They don't care because their wallets will be full. They are part of the elitist culture that believes that what is theirs is theirs and what is yours is theirs. They will condemn all gov spending but for what they are given, and their lobbyists are in DC right now bribing some and threatening others for more money. This year they get to sell their beans to our greatest enemy, take our tax dollars, and still want the billions Trump gave them when they thought they couldn't sell to China. That was a farce anyway because Brazil will buy them, then sell them to China. In the end profit is made by sales, subsidies, and a fake cry of loss of sales. When did aiding (feeding) the enemy become no longer be treason?

the pay to hunt started down that path with the Gazeteer and social media (Internet)

mostly social media

 

[guywhofishes]

thanks Gabe

 

[1lessdog]

The reason for this is because everything has changed from 30 years ago. 30 years ago, people used to come help the farmer/rancher during branding time or help fix fence in the spring/summer. People would come help with harvest. You see minimal to NONE of that anymore. Everyone just wants to show up the day before deer season and expects the red carpet rolled out! When the last time you saw or heard from them was a year prior before deer season

Also, the Government Subsidies is a very slippery slope. The price to the consumer will increase 300%+ on any and all foods. Good luck feeding a family of 4 when a box of 16oz pasta is $14 and milk is $11/gal. That's the entire reasoning for the Government Subsidies when it pertains to Agriculture is to keep food "reasonably priced" for the consumer.

One of the reason the farm bill passes is School lunches are tied into the farm bill. So if Bill isn't passed no free school lunches and higher lunches for people that pay for lunches.

 

[NDSportsman]

The reason for this is because everything has changed from 30 years ago. 30 years ago, people used to come help the farmer/rancher during branding time or help fix fence in the spring/summer. People would come help with harvest. You see minimal to NONE of that anymore. Everyone just wants to show up the day before deer season and expects the red carpet rolled out! When the last time you saw or heard from them was a year prior before deer season

Also, the Government Subsidies is a very slippery slope. The price to the consumer will increase 300%+ on any and all foods. Good luck feeding a family of 4 when a box of 16oz pasta is $14 and milk is $11/gal. That's the entire reasoning for the Government Subsidies when it pertains to Agriculture is to keep food "reasonably priced" for the consumer.

Last time I offered to help a farmer I got chewed out for that too! "Do I look like I need help? Hell no!"

And cheap food? Have you been to a grocery store lately??

 

[MarbleEyez]

Last time I offered to help a farmer I got chewed out for that too! "Do I look like I need help? Hell no!"

And cheap food? Have you been to a grocery store lately??

Yes, on a regular basis. If you think things are expensive now, imagine what it would be like having to pay full price for everything without having government subsidies. The "Farm-Bill" uses over 75% of all funds to fund the SNAP program. Take away the subsidies that the government gives to the American Farmer and that number will go to 90%+ for the SNAP program.

I know everyone screams about all the "handouts" and "free-money" that the farmers get. Which they have gotten a good share in the last 4 years. But when it comes to the "government subsidies", who is the real ones who benefit from it? That would but us, the consumers of their goods. Take the subsidies away and the consumers will be charged the real/full price. AND the money used for the "government subsidies" will just get thrown into the SNAP program pail.

Also, good luck getting rid of the gratis tags and going to a one tag system

 

[risingsun]

Another state with deer issues.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/t...S&cvid=690a75f53d484bcb972aa207bd12f41b&ei=14

 

[PrairieGhost]

Yes, on a regular basis. If you think things are expensive now, imagine what it would be like having to pay full price for everything without having government subsidies. The "Farm-Bill" uses over 75% of all funds to fund the SNAP program. Take away the subsidies that the government gives to the American Farmer and that number will go to 90%+ for the SNAP program.

I know everyone screams about all the "handouts" and "free-money" that the farmers get. Which they have gotten a good share in the last 4 years. But when it comes to the "government subsidies", who is the real ones who benefit from it? That would but us, the consumers of their goods. Take the subsidies away and the consumers will be charged the real/full price. AND the money used for the "government subsidies" will just get thrown into the SNAP program pail.

Also, good luck getting rid of the gratis tags and going to a one tag system

If it wasn't for protection against ag imports our grocery bill would be cut in half.

 

[Fester]

The reason for this is because everything has changed from 30 years ago. 30 years ago, people used to come help the farmer/rancher during branding time or help fix fence in the spring/summer. People would come help with harvest. You see minimal to NONE of that anymore. Everyone just wants to show up the day before deer season and expects the red carpet rolled out! When the last time you saw or heard from them was a year prior before deer season

Also, the Government Subsidies is a very slippery slope. The price to the consumer will increase 300%+ on any and all foods. Good luck feeding a family of 4 when a box of 16oz pasta is $14 and milk is $11/gal. That's the entire reasoning for the Government Subsidies when it pertains to Agriculture is to keep food "reasonably priced" for the consumer.

This is a bullshit excuse..for me anyways. I offered all farmers help in early early spring before and after the hunt and was told no, we have plenty of help. Sure probably a chunk that dont offer but that was not my experiance anyways.

 

[Kurtr]

I help brand every spring and do random shit through the year. I have never been told no when I offered.

 

[Skeeter]

This horse is has been beaten to a pulp but the whiners just can’t let it go.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Another state with deer issues.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/t...S&cvid=690a75f53d484bcb972aa207bd12f41b&ei=14

risingsun, good article. In one sentence they mention lowering the barriers and restrictions and maybe the youth will pick up hunting again. And then they mention the R3 program or recruitment, retention and reactivation of hunters.

Money was allocated away from Pitt-Robertson and given to non-profits to figure out R3. The Wildlife Management Institute received a bunch and then they hired John Fischer from the Southeast Wildlife Disease Study to do contract work. They wrote the 111-page document best management practices for CWD. More rules, regulations, barriers, restrictions and controls. A great way to discourage the youth from hunting.

 

[Davy Crockett]

Land owners are just like hunters , we all have a memory. It just takes one time to be shit on by one or the other and all of a sudden we become our worst enemy for opening more land to hunt it only takes one out of hundreds to make it happen. Fool me once shame on you,fool me twice, shame on me.it is what it is. Ndgf changed the gratis deadline so I missed out this year but my land is still going to be hunted by my neighbors. If you don't have an in it's tough,I get that but taking the gratis license away if you don't own land isn't a good option for non land owners .

 

[Slappy]

The reason for this is because everything has changed from 30 years ago. 30 years ago, people used to come help the farmer/rancher during branding time or help fix fence in the spring/summer. People would come help with harvest. You see minimal to NONE of that anymore. Everyone just wants to show up the day before deer season and expects the red carpet rolled out! When the last time you saw or heard from them was a year prior before deer season

Also, the Government Subsidies is a very slippery slope. The price to the consumer will increase 300%+ on any and all foods. Good luck feeding a family of 4 when a box of 16oz pasta is $14 and milk is $11/gal. That's the entire reasoning for the Government Subsidies when it pertains to Agriculture is to keep food "reasonably priced" for the consumer.

First paragraph is real for sure.

Have to disagree with second paragraph since commodities are sold on global market.