Bengals and steelers

[johnr]

My son in law is a steelers fan, so he is happy

 

[Trip McNeely]

shaziers intent was to make a tackle. did helmets contact? yeah they probably did but it was non-malscious contact that is part of football. when a player has time to make a football move they more often than not drop there head to absorb impact. the refs saw the same thing I did and deemed shaziers hit and any helmet contact to be incidental and not an act of maliscous intent, but a result of an offensive player making a move and a defenseive player making a tackle, making it more of a judgement call for the refs.

burficts hit was a completely obvious attempt to injure a player. he aimed his helmet at the helmet of another player who had not completed a football move. brown was still in the air for christs sake! it wasn't even debatable what his intent was going in high like that. if he was trying to make a clean hit he would have went at the mid-section of brown instead.

its hard to separate intent sometimes between a player just playing a rough injury prone game and a guy trying to take a cheap shot but when a player like burfict was out of control all game and causing a headache for the refs numerous times with his scuffles he was asking to be put in a microscope all game. then to make a play like that at the end how do you not think they wont call that? its not the refs fault, its not the stealers fault. most of the fault lies on the player but a lot lies on marvin lewis for not diffusing the situation earlier. he is the manager of the game and his men. there is a reason Burfict didn't get drafted in the 1st round. he had 1st round talent going into the draft but 31 other teams passed on him. wonder why?

 

[lunkerslayer]

Tell me is that leading with the top of the helmet?

 

[Obi-Wan]

shaziers intent was to make a tackle. did helmets contact? yeah they probably did but it was non-malscious contact that is part of football. when a player has time to make a football move they more often than not drop there head to absorb impact. the refs saw the same thing I did and deemed shaziers hit and any helmet contact to be incidental and not an act of maliscous intent, but a result of an offensive player making a move and a defenseive player making a tackle, making it more of a judgement call for the refs.

burficts hit was a completely obvious attempt to injure a player. he aimed his helmet at the helmet of another player who had not completed a football move. brown was still in the air for christs sake! it wasn't even debatable what his intent was going in high like that. if he was trying to make a clean hit he would have went at the mid-section of brown instead.

its hard to separate intent sometimes between a player just playing a rough injury prone game and a guy trying to take a cheap shot but when a player like burfict was out of control all game and causing a headache for the refs numerous times with his scuffles he was asking to be put in a microscope all game. then to make a play like that at the end how do you not think they wont call that? its not the refs fault, its not the stealers fault. most of the fault lies on the player but a lot lies on marvin lewis for not diffusing the situation earlier. he is the manager of the game and his men. there is a reason Burfict didn't get drafted in the 1st round. he had 1st round talent going into the draft but 31 other teams passed on him. wonder why?

He did go for the mid section the receiver came down and was bent over I don't know how much lower he could go and the hit was with his shoulder not his helmet. Go back and watch the video

 

[lunkerslayer]

Did you read my post Trip Mcnally, I am not denying your observation of the bengals bad plays but that play basically was the start to a downhill slide. The Steelers won that can't be denied but the officiating crew was not calling both sides fairly. The Steelers coach Joey Porter was not supposed to be on the field should of been two flags thrown which would offset.

 

[Obi-Wan]

Tell me is that leading with the top of the helmet?

yes

 

[Trip McNeely]

I wont argue lunker, shaziers hit wasn't completely clean either. but Bernard was two steps into making a football move. Brown wasn't. if they called helmet contact every time it happened they would have to call it every play. its football it happens. they are making it a point to protect defenseless players. could have they flagged shazier? absolutely but the fact they didn't was because it wasn't on a defenseless player and shazier plays the game intense but under control. the refs decided to let that play go as they do for a lot of hard hits that could go either way. my point is Burfict was acting like a thug and wasn't staying in the favor of the refs so it was an easy call on there part. on top of that it was on a defenseless player. I can't disagree with the way the refs called it. some hits are going to go un-punished if you play the game and don't get caught up in the extra garbage. if you at like a thug and play like a thug they are going to flag you every time.

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blair walsh for president

 

[lunkerslayer]

I wont argue lunker, shaziers hit wasn't completely clean either. but Bernard was two steps into making a football move. Brown wasn't. if they called helmet contact every time it happened they would have to call it every play. its football it happens. they are making it a point to protect defenseless players. could have they flagged shazier? absolutely but the fact they didn't was because it wasn't on a defenseless player and shazier plays the game intense but under control. the refs decided to let that play go as they do for a lot of hard hits that could go either way. my point is Burfict was acting like a thug and wasn't staying in the favor of the refs so it was an easy call on there part. on top of that it was on a defenseless player. I can't disagree with the way the refs called it. some hits are going to go un-punished if you play the game and don't get caught up in the extra garbage. if you at like a thug and play like a thug they are going to flag you every time.

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blair walsh for president

Trip did you play football? You NEVER lead with the top of your head, you never practice that kind of tackle drill,



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I know this not the same but he was hit on the top of his head.

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Did you read my post Trip Mcnally, I am not denying your observation of the bengals bad plays but that play basically was the start to a downhill slide. The Steelers won that can't be denied but the officiating crew was not calling both sides fairly. The Steelers coach Joey Porter was not supposed to be on the field should of been two flags thrown which would offset.

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[Trip McNeely]

lunker, I more than likely played more football than a good majority on here.

so now were going from a viscous hit by a stealer that warrents a flag to a an unsafe hit that was dangerous for said stealer? I thought the argument was over the voracity of each tackle and why shazier wasn't penelized? any tackle at full speed has potential for injury. obviously leading with your head down is not bright no matter who u are, that being said you can be seriously injured by having your head up too. I've had my share of stingers and they aren't a lot of fun. but being an ankle biter lessened my potential for a spinal injury. the pictures you posted don't show the full story. watch both at full speed athat's what the refs see. they don't get to take a picture and look at the tacklers form. at any rate shazier does appear to lead with his crown, which is im not denying is dangerous for him as a tackler BUT look at geo Bernard. two steps after making the catch head up field and he is braced for impact. the worst he will get is a broken jaw or maybe bite his tongue. maybe concussed? when I played they called it getting your bell rung. now look at Antonio brown. he has his head down and is just in the precess of making the catch, he doesn't know the impact is about to happen and cant brace himself for impact. burfict is leading with HIS helmet INTO the crown of browns helmet which by looking at your picture looks like brown is the one who could be seriously injured in this play. AND He was concussed. look at the video, he was clearly knocked unconscious as he fell to the ground. so that is why they put more emphasis on defenseless players.

 

[lunkerslayer]

Like I said Trip the officiating crew got the Vontaze Burfict call right BUT the Shazier hit should of been called for spearing the officiating crew should of threw the flag discussed it and could of either picked up the flag or called spearing. but the ref really Ta ma de up the call in not flagging the steelers coach Joey porter to be on the field. The refs sucked

 

[Trip McNeely]

ok, I guess I can agree with you somewhat, however I can see how they didn't flag Shazier as well. at full speed it looked a lot cleaner than Burficts hit. I agree the officiating across the board has gotten worse but from my understanding the refs nowadays are at a point where they cant keep up with all the new rules they keep adding every year. its easy to see it from the comfort of a recliner with replay and tevo but at full speed a lot of the calls come down to judgement and lets be honest, its can be pretty tough to see everything at full speed when they keep adding and changing rules every year. and they cant stop every play and replay it at slow motion. games go long enough the way it is now. since the beginning of organized sports the refs blew the game excuse has been around. can we at least agree that cincy imploded and gave the game away? they had every opportunity to stay in the lead. Had Jeremy Hill held on to the ball with two hands we wouldn't even be having this conversation. same with AP and the vikes today. turn one of those 4 FG attempts into a TD and bad officiating is a non-factor. How about that Martavis Bryant catch in the end zone?

 

[labhunter66]

OK, I didn't see the Pittsburgh hit on Bernard but I think the difference was that he had already become a runner and was not considered a defenseless receiver at the time of the hit. I'm guessing Shazier will be fined by the league though. Burfict was an idiot the whole game. He could have ended up somewhat of a hero after the fourth quarter interception but even then made himself look like a dick when he ran all the way off the field and down the tunnel at the end of the play. He should have stayed there. No excuse for the hit on Brown. Cheap shot all the way and I'll be shocked if he isn't suspended. He deserved the 15 yards for that. Can't stand Adam Jones. He should have just walked away from the area but he probably didn't deserve the 15 yard penalty. Joey Porter, the Pittsburgh coach, had no business on the field getting into it with Cincinnati players. He at least deserved a penalty out of that whole thing as well if Jones got one.