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Message: <blockquote data-quote="guywhofishes" data-source="post: 413442" data-attributes="member: 337">1234.1. I watch deer all year long on many (8) cameras. I used to have two bait stations. They actually don't exhibit this "licking tree" marker behavior at the bait pile because they're preoccupied with bait apparently. I see less swapping of biological material at bait than at marker trees, etc.Deer don't move far on my property, I see the same deer repeatably visit/lick the same branches every time they wander around their small territory. This is what I meant by "swapping spit". A biologist might call it body fluid transfer? It happens just how you describe in bold... prolonged exposure in the same places over and over and over for months/years. Without bait.Q: If they're doing it so often on their own, away from bait, how does bait factor into spreading CWD to any substantive degree?2. If your bold statement in #2 is factual then why does NDGF plant food plots that congregate hundreds of deer for months in the same relatively small fields. And yes, anyone who's been to the Killdeer Wildlife Management Area can witness this first hand.Please explain the blatant hypocrisy in NDGF's science based "no baiting to avoid congregating" concept. Hint: You can't. Nobody can. It makes no sense.3. The bait ban would only make sense if deer were drooling, pissing, and crapping all over each other and on their food. That's NOT what one sees happening when you observe deer on bait. None of this makes any sense if you've spent time watching deer. They're not slobs - they're some of the most careful picky browsers in the kingdom.Explain why NDGF engages in activities that bring deer within close proximity for months on end if it's making things worse. Why are hunter food plots legal and bait isn't? They both congregate deer.4. You shouldn't describe bait bans as "doing the right thing" with so many unanswered questions and hypocrisy. You've cited zero evidence of bait ban's overall efficacy. You've only cited studies where they congregate deer or swap their spit and get transfer. That's very unrealistic. Show us rigorous studies of where the bait bans have been effective.IMO, bait bans can never be demonstrated to be effective/necessary - because they make no sense when you look at what really goes on out there - vs pens.The agencies "just had to do something".... JUST LIKE THE COVID DEBACLE._______________This is my last CWD reply. Sorry for de-railing the thread - just so tired of the lack of scientific rigor being applied to determining various policies - and tired of those people of influence that support the implementation of ridiculous regulations just because it helps curry favor with the agencies for other items on their agenda.I get it - you folks have to be very good politicians to work with these folks. I'm just not wired that way - obviously. I do admire your ability to somehow look past the sheer BS involved and try to effect change on their playing field. I just can't imagine it. I'd be a raging alcoholic in no time.Ah never mind - I forgot that I'm dealing with an influential and entrenched advocate of the bait ban and someone who actively lobbied to derail a solution to this nonsense.<a href="https://ndlegis.gov/assembly/68-2023/testimony/SNATRES-1151-20230316-25432-A-WAHL_BROCK.pdf" target="_blank">https://ndlegis.gov/assembly/68-2023/testimony/SNATRES-1151-20230316-25432-A-WAHL_BROCK.pdf</a></blockquote>

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