CC permit question

[Ristorapper]

The class one classes? are they like a one day thing, couple evenings, or two weeks regime?

half a day. discussion, open book discussion, testing on open book, must pass that to advance to live shoot. Fingerprinting must pass shooting skill to gain class one also.

 

[remm]

Thanks for the responses, so if I'm reading things right, really the only benefit to getting the class 1 would be to legally carry in MN? Might just send in my class 2 renewal and call it good, not a fan of that state much anyway...:;:huh

 

[Huntin1]

If you aren't going to carry in MN class 2 is all you need.

Reciprocity list:

https://attorneygeneral.nd.gov/public-safety/concealed-weapons-licenses/reciprocity-other-states

 

[Bed Wetter]

North Dakota class 1 for me. That and a badge in my pocket.

Badge?

 

[guywhofishes]

 

[( deleted account )]

Get a ND Class 1 and be done wi h it. I had an old class 2 from the early 1980’s and took the class with the shooting test from a young couple down at the shooting range adjacent Jay’s Pawn shop on Airport Road in Bismarck. EXCELLENT CLASS! I’d recommend it highly, and I’ve done shooting and gun safety classes since 1969 in 2 Canadian provinces, three US states, the Canadian PALS course and an AZclass a few years ago, not to mention teaching the hunter ed gun safety stuff since 1970.
I still learned quite a few new things as well as getting a good update on recent ND laws. The couple who taught it and tested us was excellent. You are not only legal and fingerprinted and all the paperwork done, but it showed me (again) that you are never too old to learn something new!

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Badge?

I wondered that, too!?!?

 

[eyexer]

If you let your class 2 laps you need to understand that as of right now you cannot carry with a round in the chamber. They screwed up the wording in the legislation they passed regarding no longer needing a permit to carry. This is supposed to be changed this coming session back to the wording that will allow you to carry with one in the chamber. You can carry with rounds in the mag but not the chamber unless you have a permit.

 

[Huntin1]

If you let your class 2 laps you need to understand that as of right now you cannot carry with a round in the chamber. They screwed up the wording in the legislation they passed regarding no longer needing a permit to carry. This is supposed to be changed this coming session back to the wording that will allow you to carry with one in the chamber. You can carry with rounds in the mag but not the chamber unless you have a permit.

As long as you are eligible to apply for a class 2 permit you can carry a loaded handgun concealed under the constitutional carry statute.

There are different restrictions on where you can carry a weapon based on whether or not you have a permit.

 

[eyexer]

As long as you are eligible to apply for a class 2 permit you can carry a loaded handgun concealed under the constitutional carry statute.

There are different restrictions on where you can carry a weapon based on whether or not you have a permit.

Not according to the legislator that drafted the bill. He is going to make the changes needed to allow that to happen this upcoming session. The wording was changed after committee and it changed the original wording making it illegal to carry concealed a gun with one in the chamber.

 

[Huntin1]

Not according to the legislator that drafted the bill. He is going to make the changes needed to allow that to happen this upcoming session. The wording was changed after committee and it changed the original wording making it illegal to carry concealed a gun with one in the chamber.

Well, the Attorney General says otherwise:

During the 2017 Legislative session, the Legislature passed H.B. 1169,2 referred to asthe “constitutional carry bill,” which revised the concealed weapons chapter and createda new statutory provision to carry a concealed weapon. Two sections were amended tocreate this provision.

The following was added to chapter 62.1-03 addressinghandguns: An individual who is not otherwise precluded from possessing a class 2firearm and dangerous weapon license under chapter 62.1-04 and haspossessed for at least one year a valid driver’s license or nondriveridentification card issued by the department of transportation.3


Additionally, the following language was added to N.D.C.C. § 62.1-04-02 concerningconcealed weapons:
An individual who is not otherwise precluded from possessing a class 2firearm and dangerous weapon license under this chapter and who haspossessed for at least one year a valid driver’s license or nondriveridentification card issued by the department of transportation may carry afirearm concealed under this chapter.4


These statutory changes in N.D.C.C. title 62.1 allow any individual who is qualified tocarry a loaded handgun under a class 2 firearm and dangerous weapon license to carrywithout a license being issued.

you can read the entire opinion here: https://attorneygeneral.nd.gov/sites/ag/files/documents/Opinions/2017/Letter/2017-L-07.pdf


I'm not sure why this legislator thinks he needs to make changes to a law that the Attorney General concludes is fine as written.

 

[sweeney]

I thought the changes were to clarify carrying in a vehicle

 

[Huntin1]

I thought the changes were to clarify carrying in a vehicle

They were, but this sentence in the opinion:

These statutory changes in N.D.C.C. title 62.1 allow any individual who is qualified to carry a loaded handgun under a class 2 firearm and dangerous weapon license to carry without a license.

clearly states that if you would be able to qualify to carry a loaded weapon with a Class 2 license, you may carry a loaded firearm without a license under the constitutional carry statute.

It does not specify in a vehicle, don't think that would make much sense. You can carry a loaded concealed firearm while driving, but if you stop, say for gas, you either have to unload in order to keep the firearm with you, or you would have to leave it in the car.

 

[PrairieGhost]

I see neither qualifies us to carry in the state of Kazakifornia. :::

 

[Huntin1]

Of course not. That's a different country isn't it?

 

[( deleted account )]

The class one classes? are they like a one day thing, couple evenings, or two weeks regime?

the one I took was on a Saturday am and consisted of a few hours of classroom stuff on safety, laws, when to use it, when not to, handgun safety, and short clips,with discussions about what you would do in that situation, etc; then a short multiple choice test, and then a shooting test on the range. Seems to me some of it was offhand shooting, some kneeling, and you had to reload between firing strings, and had to know how to safely use and secure your gun. They scored the shooting, and I think everyone passed OK. It was kind of fun, and the classroom stuff was surprisingly educational. Most, if not all of us learned something we weren’t aware of before. Even after we left people were still discussing situation awareness and law things out by their cars.
Id recommend it highly. Oh yes. It started at around 0900 and ended mid afternoon. Also included electronic fingerprinting, mug shots, and all the paperwork. All you had to do at the end of it was stamp the included envelope and send it in. The card arrived a week or so later. The course was really well organized.

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I see neither qualifies us to carry in the state of Kazakifornia. :::

California is patchy. Some counties allow CC and others are absolutely not, like the Bay Area. I have relatives in San Diego, and up to now it has been almost impossible to get a CC permit in that County, despite there being shooting ranges seemingly all over and lots of shooters, because the Sheriff’s office automatically said NO for every applicant, yet the county to the north was pretty free with their CC permits. Now they have relaxed it and are swamped with CC applications, and are reportedly granting them pretty freely. Seems it’s county by County or something rather than statewide, but their laws are pretty strange compared to ours. I don’t know anything about reciprocity, though.

 

[Jiffy]

I recently got my expiration notice for my permit that I got 5 years ago. At that time I got the ND class 2 as well as the Utah one as that seemed to be the way to go. With the changes over the past few years that I haven't really stayed caught up on, is it worth it to renew these again? I haven't looked into it much, but seem to remember not needing these and just upgrading to a ND class 1 would be what I should do? I'm sure somebody can give me a much more simplified answer than me trying to read through all the dam law changes.

I have a class 2 and a Utah. Originally got the Utah for reciprocity with Minntuckey as I live in West Fargo and frequent that state. Nevertheless the communist state of Minntuckey has since killed reciprocity with the Utah permit. Alas, I may opt for ND Class one during the next renewal....haven't decided yet to be completely honest.

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North Dakota class 1 for me. That and a badge in my pocket.

The Nodak Master Moderator badge does little to nothing in respect to a CCP....:;:

 

[eyexer]

according to the original author of the constitutional carry measure, it does not allow concealed carry with a live round in the chamber. they made a mistake during conference and some wording was eliminated that allowed for that. He intends to straighten that out in this coming session. There have been news reports on nearly all the major news outlets in the state regarding this.

 

[sweeney]

according to the original author of the constitutional carry measure, it does not allow concealed carry with a live round in the chamber. they made a mistake during conference and some wording was eliminated that allowed for that. He intends to straighten that out in this coming session. There have been news reports on nearly all the major news outlets in the state regarding this.

Didn't this pass 2 years ago, whats the hold up?

 

[eyexer]

Didn't this pass 2 years ago, whats the hold up?

legislature hasn't been in session since to clean it up.

 

[BrokenBackJack]

Didn't this pass 2 years ago, whats the hold up?

ND legislature only meets every 2 years.