Ditch Cougars

[DirtyMike]

By neighbor you mean yourself don't you....
Does your wife's let you drink in the garage....haha

No it's my neighbor. When we moved in she introduced herself as the crazy cat lady. I still giggle like a child when I watch that fricken cat roll by on a leash. And yes, beers get consumed in the garage. Even got a little tipsy one night and ordered a busch light neon sign off of ebay. Thought I bid $29. Invoice says $49...oops.

 

[johnr]

No it's my neighbor. When we moved in she introduced herself as the crazy cat lady. I still giggle like a child when I watch that fricken cat roll by on a leash. And yes, beers get consumed in the garage. Even got a little tipsy one night and ordered a busch light neon sign off of ebay. Thought I bid $29. Invoice says $49...oops.

Busch light neon sign you say.
Sounds like a good addition to the new garage.

 

[KDM]

Cats are a tool that are an important part of the farm. A few years ago it was almost unheard of to spend money on a cat to neuter or spay them so I have taken a few out myself on a selective basis. Nowadays, I have rules before I let a cat on the farm so cats are no longer a dime a dozen to me. It has to be spayed or neutered, good around kids and a good mouser. Any cat worth less than that is not worth having around IMO. where I have a problem is dum fuks that think they are doing me and the rest of the world a favor by shooting every cat in the neighborhood. We had another one shot last fall but I was lucky enough that it wasn't the greatest cat in the world and we had a spare so it really didn't hurt my feelings too bad, Had it been my new one I wouldn't be quite so humble with my opinion on this subject. Comparing an infested naval base or abandon buildings in town to a farm out in the country is a piss poor comparison at best. Feral cats that I have happen to get a glimpse of were on a dead run and gone before I could have taken a shot , Tame ones will hang around and be an easy target. How about we have a 400 yard rule for dogs because they might be feral and chasing deer or eating nesting birds or eggs. If you don't know what your target is don't pull the trigger.

First of all Davey, I didn't make that comparison....YOU DID. The OP was about an apartment, not a farmstead so where should that piss poor comparison be put????? Second, I know lots of farms that work just fine without these important "tools" known as cats. You're a cat lover I gather, and if you like and want cats or dogs or sheep at your home, by all means have as many or as few as you like. However, people who claim ownership of an animal need to be responsible for them and where they go and what they do AT ALL TIMES regardless of if it's a dog, cat, llama, horse, or whatever. Domestic animals NOT where they should be are a hazard to everyone no matter if its a cow, cat, pig, or dog and dogs harassing wildlife or livestock fall squarely in the hazard category.

 

[DirtyMike]

I want this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Handcraft-n...371647?hash=item3d0aa1a87f:g:TEgAAOSwxN5WXqBO

 

[johnr]

Not $200 neat.

if that bad boy was closer to the $50 you blew, maybe. $200 buys 10- 30packs...haha

 

[lunkerslayer]

I would like to know what is exactly a ditch cougar?

 

[guywhofishes]

Not $200 neat.

if that bad boy was closer to the $50 you blew, maybe. $200 buys 10- 30packs...haha

That sign makes my toe hurt.

 

[Davy Crockett]

First of all Davey, I didn't make that comparison....YOU DID. The OP was about an apartment, not a farmstead so where should that piss poor comparison be put????? Second, I know lots of farms that work just fine without these important "tools" known as cats. You're a cat lover I gather, and if you like and want cats or dogs or sheep at your home, by all means have as many or as few as you like. However, people who claim ownership of an animal need to be responsible for them and where they go and what they do AT ALL TIMES regardless of if it's a dog, cat, llama, horse, or whatever. Domestic animals NOT where they should be are a hazard to everyone no matter if its a cow, cat, pig, or dog and dogs harassing wildlife or livestock fall squarely in the hazard category.

Fair ball KDM , Your 400 yard rule sucks though. My pet cat is no less valuable or important to me than joe blows hunting dog is to him. My cat also has just as much right to be 401 yards from my house without getting shot at as joe blows dog. I have a pretty good grip on what dogs will do for entertainment when their masters aren't around to scold them. If I see a dog more than 400 yards from it's owner's house even though I realize it is being a hazard I sure as heck don't feel like I have the right to shoot it.

 

[bucksnbears]

I would like to know what is exactly a ditch cougar?

a MILF out for a country stroll:;:cheers

a spay and nueter cats.................with whatever weapon i have with at the time.

 

[KDM]

Letting your animals roam free sucks Davey. You admitted that your cat was harassing a deer and made it run and you thought that was funny. I don't think that's funny at all. Life is tough enough on wildlife without your domestic animals chasing them around whenever they want. What other kinds of wildlife do your animals harass and chase while you're not watching?? Does that activity cause damage, harm, or even kill that wildlife?? Should everyone else have to deal with your animals just because you can't keep them home? What should be done with domestic animals that harass deer and other wildlife?? You see Davey, your animals has value to YOU, not everyone. If your animals are so valuable to you as you claim, I would think you would keep them safe at home.

 

[BBQBluesMan]

I see no problem popping the scrubby, obviously feral cat. I do have an issue with popping one that has even a small chance it is a kid's pet. I don't want to see Muffy being taken away from an unsuspecting 6 year old.

This is exactly how I feel about this issue. I could never shoot a tame cat (and the people that willingly do for fun are idiots for lack of a better term), but the obviously wild ones are gonners on our farm. Something I never enjoy, and actually frustrates me. Its the chicken shit owners that should have to kill the cat they were responsible for not taking care of and letting become wild. That would never happen though, because that would be mean.

Cats are incredible hunters and do serve a purpose, but most people are not responsible pet owners and do not fix their pets. Kittens are born and then after the cute and fuzzy period wears off nobody wants em because cats are a dime a dozen (just go to any animal shelter or on bisman for example) so the cats accumulate, roam, multiply, kill stuff and repeat. And then there are the real winners who just dump cats out in the country or have 29 cats in an apartment.

I realize it is not cheap to spay/neuter, but tough shit, thats part of owning pets. It is the right and humane thing to do. Unless you are responsible enough to keep or get rid of little ones to good homes, fix your pets! Feral cats are not "harmless" and they don't live happy little lives. They are bad news bears.


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I would like to know what is exactly a ditch cougar?

Its a cougar that is frequenty seen in a ditch. You can tell they are ditch cougars by the way they are.

 

[Davy Crockett]

Letting your animals roam free sucks Davey. You admitted that your cat was harassing a deer and made it run and you thought that was funny. I don't think that's funny at all. Life is tough enough on wildlife without your domestic animals chasing them around whenever they want. What other kinds of wildlife do your animals harass and chase while you're not watching?? Does that activity cause damage, harm, or even kill that wildlife?? Should everyone else have to deal with your animals just because you can't keep them home? What should be done with domestic animals that harass deer and other wildlife?? You see Davey, your animals has value to YOU, not everyone. If your animals are so valuable to you as you claim, I would think you would keep them safe at home.

You're grasping at anything now. Were you reading between the lines or making that first sentence up ? My cat didn't harass the deer,Nor did I say it did. The cat sat in picture perfect poise and total silence and watched the deer. Had I not been paying attention to my pet I wouldn't have even noticed that it jumped up on the cab to WATCH a deer 40 yards away on the other side of a berm that I could not see. It was when I was walking away that the deer finally made a run for it and came out of cover. FWIW the rest of what I highlighted can be said for every dog,cat, Tom dick and harry reading this, Where should we draw the line ? Cats, dogs, cows,horses? I take it you don't like cats and that's fine but it doesn't give you or anybody else the right to go shooting all cats 400 yards from an occupied residence.

 

[KDM]

Not grasping at all, but free roaming domestic animals aren't worth the word gymnastics that are happening now. While you obviously disagree, I draw the line at 400 yards and for my own animals at the boundaries of my property or to the game birds we are pursuing. Do with your animals what you wish, but don't blame anyone but yourself when they roam and something happens. Happy Holidays and Thank You for your attempts to curb the animal populations by spending the money to sterilize the ones you find.

 

[BBQBluesMan]

In all honesty, you guys both raise valid points. Definteley a touchy issue, but one that should be discussed. Usually when cats are fixed they hang around home, especiallly if they are fed well. Its the un-nuetered males that roam for days/miles onto adjacent property. I think it was Lycan who mentioned collars on a cat. In addition to fixing a cat, placing a collar on it is another line of defense.

I think roaming dogs are a good comparison to cats. Who in their right mind would shoot a tame collared dog running around the countryside? Killing/harrasing livestock or attacking a human or other pet is a completely different story, those types of situations deserve lead intervation IMO. But a tail wagging hapy go lucky dog getting shot because it is 400 yards from Bobs house? My point is that I would hope that most people wouldnt shoot a collared cat or dog that is tame, especially if there is a house nearby. Could be some kids best buddy.

 

[Captain Ahab]

In all honesty, you guys both raise valid points. Definteley a touchy issue, but one that should be discussed. Usually when cats are fixed they hang around home, especiallly if they are fed well. Its the un-nuetered males that roam for days/miles onto adjacent property. I think it was Lycan who mentioned collars on a cat. In addition to fixing a cat, placing a collar on it is another line of defense.

I think roaming dogs are a good comparison to cats. Who in their right mind would shoot a tame collared dog running around the countryside? Killing/harrasing livestock or attacking a human or other pet is a completely different story, those types of situations deserve lead intervation IMO. But a tail wagging hapy go lucky dog getting shot because it is 400 yards from Bobs house? My point is that I would hope that most people wouldnt shoot a collared cat or dog that is tame, especially if there is a house nearby. Could be someones kids best buddy.

The thing that gets my feelers up is some dogs are so good at sticking close, you never have a problem. And then some are not. I have had one of them that wouldn't leave the property if you tortured them. I have also had one that was a phenomenal dog and was good 90% of the time, but 10% it wanted to roam a bit. I could get on my high horse with the one dog and say "You lazy POS can't control your dog and it deserves to die if it leaves your property" the dog right next to it, I would have to say "He's a great dog, but is an escape artist 2 times a month and please don't kill it". Dogs are just like humans, no two are the same.

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Not grasping at all, but free roaming domestic animals aren't worth the word gymnastics that are happening now. While you obviously disagree, I draw the line at 400 yards and for my own animals at the boundaries of my property or to the game birds we are pursuing. Do with your animals what you wish, but don't blame anyone but yourself when they roam and something happens. Happy Holidays and Thank You for your attempts to curb the animal populations by spending the money to sterilize the ones you find.

KDM, with all due respect, I hope you don't snuff a nicely groomed dog with a collar 425 yards from a home? When I see one even in remote areas I try to get him/her to approach me and look for a tag with a phone # so I can locate the owner.

 

[KDM]

No problem Ahab. I have my position and others have theirs. Had plenty of unknown dogs out in the country and even my back yard come to me when called. Haven't had to snuff a single one. If you recall from that "Other Site", I met my neighbor and we've become good friends because his dog came over and was chasing my chickens. I almost snuffed "Whiskey", but he responded to the command "NO" and stopped trying to get the birds. I didn't even whack the neighbors dog when I caught it killing 12 of my chickens in my back yard. Had a serious talk with the neighbor, got paid for the birds, and I haven't seen the dog over here since. Big difference when a stray animal can be recaptured, the owner found and informed, or brought to a shelter, and the situation dealt with then an animal that runs with no possibility of capture. My question is how many times does a person have to deal with someone else's animals before I have "The Right" to respond? Do I give the neighbor dog a second crack at killing my chickens because I know where it belongs?? I find cats and dogs running around my home and on my hunting property quite frequently and NONE of them belong there. How many times do I have to deal with someone else's roaming animals chasing and killing the critters I try to keep around?? It's a never ending battle here in the country and I've reached the point where I expect people to be responsible for their animals.

 

[lunkerslayer]

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Ditch cougar:;:smokin

 

[DirtyMike]

That sign makes my toe hurt.

You gotta da gout

 

[Davy Crockett]

Merry Christmas to you and yours too KDM. I look at this issue more as my personal property rights than I do a cat or a dog. I agree with most everything you say but I'm not beyond debating an issue when our opinions are completely opposite and I stand behind my opinion that your 400 yard rule on cats sucks. I can't help it your neighbors can't or won't or don't keep their pets off your property but shooting all cats 400 yards from occupied buildings won't solve your problems. Last I checked 440 yards or under is against the law even if you're only shooting a rock. Don't hold my opinion against me, Or I guess if you feel a need to then go ahead. It is what it is and it won't be changing my mind any time soon.

 

[Captain Ahab]

Not grasping at all, but free roaming domestic animals aren't worth the word gymnastics that are happening now. While you obviously disagree, I draw the line at 400 yards and for my own animals at the boundaries of my property or to the game birds we are pursuing. Do with your animals what you wish, but don't blame anyone but yourself when they roam and something happens. Happy Holidays and Thank You for your attempts to curb the animal populations by spending the money to sterilize the ones you find.

Kudos to you KDM.Thumbs Up Raising livestock that attracts many curiosities has it's challenges. It appears you understand the the responsibility of that as well. We used to raise pheasants as an attempt to reintroduce them into the wild in our area. A couple dogs raised hell with that. We did not kill them even though they massacred some birds. We learned and put up an electric gauntlet coupled by a trap line for the wild foe. Unfortunately the climate in the NE does not support pheasant long term. I still applaud my father and others for their wholehearted attempt.